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  1. Old city man

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    Judging O'Donnell based on the defence we had is
    a bit hasty.We were wanting to sign him previously but
    missed out on him.

    The defence needs confidence in the keeper,the keeper
    needs confidence in the defence.Chicken or egg?

    Give him a chance if he's no better this season play
    Hornby instead!
     
  2. Tolly856

    Tolly856 Squad Player

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    I hope we don't sign Chris Taylor.
     
  3. Offcomedun

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    My opinion is that anyone who couldn't see that Anderson significantly improved from when he made his debut to the season's end either wasn't paying attention or had already written him off and refused to acknowledge any positive evidence.
    Anderson came to us with no match fitness whatsoever, having struggled to regain his former form after two serious injuries. His performances definitely improved as he got more game time. He wasn't pulling up any trees, but it's hard to do that in a team that had become utterly dysfunctional by February/March time.
     
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  4. bantam2708

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    No thanks he's shite.
     
  5. Dennis

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    Strictly speaking, lower league clubs are subject to what is known as the Salary Cost Management Protocol (SCMP) which is the form of FFP used by the EFL in the lower leagues. It's essentially a wages cap based on a proportion of the club's income. So I'll use the phrase SCMP to avoid confusion with other types of FFP used in the Championship, the PL and the Champions League.

    But to answer your question ..... yes and no!

    Every League 1/League 2 club has to submit a SCMP statement signed off by a director or other responsible person to the EFL before the season starts of their likely income and their likely spending on payers' wages etc. Imo that's a bit of a joke since which club knows exactly what it will be paying out in players wages etc at that point and how many will be coming through the gates? It's almost a pointless exercise other than to establish a baseline for the clubs. Once the season starts, each club then has to submit an 'actual' SCMP statement to date and an estimate for the remainder of the season. Unless things are seriously out of kilter at a particular club, it's still a bit of a joke since there is still a lot of uncertainty about the remainder of the season. But it does allow the EFL to start to ask questions of particular clubs. From memory, the first so-called 'Mid-Season SCMP statement' is due in mid December covering the first four months or so of the season.

    After the transfer window has closed, it starts to get a little more serious but is still dependent of the honesty and openness of the club. It's an important part of the SCMP regime that clubs have to notify the EFL if they expect to breach the SCMP rules. Whether they do is a matter of debate and I suspect there have been some clubs who have just ignored this. Bury would be a good example imo. If clubs are known to be having financial problems, such as not paying their players, the EFL is entitled to investigate, not that the club is in financial difficulties, but whether it has breached the SCMP rules! (The EFL can also investigate whether the club has sufficient funding to see it through the reminder of its fixtures). But even then, the only weapon the EFL has is to refuse to sanction further transfers and it's too late then for that to have any real effect in that season.

    Just to complete the process, at the end of the year, every club has to submit a final SCMP statement and if any club is in breach of the rules, the sanctions on player transfers take effect in the following season. I don't recall any examples of that in the lower leagues other than the high profile ones which hit the media.

    I'm hoping I've shown that it's not an ideal mechanism! In fact imo, it's piss poor governance by the EFL and allows situations like Bolton's, Bury's, Blackburn's, Forest's to escalate out of control and by the time anything can be done, the damage to the club and indeed the reputation of the EFL has happened. The EFL have tried to tighten the rules but all important rule changes have to be agreed by a large majority of the clubs and it never seems to get to that point.

    If I was in control of this, I'd make it much tighter by making two changes. Firstly, I'd make it a personal offence for a director of a club to knowingly make a false SCMP statement or fail to inform the EFL if the SCMP rules are likely to be breached by the club. Secondly, I'd tighten up the Owners & Directors test to preclude anybody being involved in football management who has failed to comply with the SCMP, or wider FFP rules. That might force directors etc to be a little more careful when they are putting their names to false statements and help to improve football's atrocious record in governance matters. But I don't expect anything like that to happen in the near future!
     
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  6. simons (woking bantam)

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    Fordy, can we just enjoy a 3-0 win - at least over the rest of the weekend? You have drummed on about it being a results business but have done nothing but moan since yesterday (you're in danger of become a parody of yourself ;))
     
  7. Goose

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    This obsession with bringing poor to average ex players back has to stop
     
  8. JonButterfield

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    The criticism of Law was ridiculous.

    Guess people just want those that lump it forward
     
  9. Petrov

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    Hearing a couple of rumours regarding players contracts this morning. Firstly, that (as a few of us have suggested), there are a fair few release clauses and secondly, that the majority of them are due a significant reduction in their wages due to being relegated. If true, it may not be as difficult to get rid of them as first thought.
     
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  10. bantam2708

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    I agree but O'Donnell hasn't even been bad. A shaky month or so despite being good for the majority of the season and now he's apparently shite.
     
  11. Park bantam

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    The Yorkshire post confirms this morning that we do have a 15% sell on clause if McBurnie moves. We also get money if Sunderland are promoted as part of the Wyke transfer and we get money from Lincoln because McCarten helped them to promotion so there could possibly some sort of salvation there if it all falls into place
     
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  12. Dratsab taf

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    I actually remember him scoring against us and standing in front of the kop cupping them oversized lugs
     
  13. Idlebantam

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    To be honest this has no effect at all in my opinion. The more expensive they become, the more fans would not renew, so incone generated would probably be similar.
     
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  14. Faithful Bantam

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    We’ve had the debate on here numerous times and I still have a view that as long as is timed and managed appropriately, there wouldn’t be a drop - not a significant one anyway. We’re ruled by an outdated and fearful mindset.

    Bottom line - unless we find a way to ensure our match going fans continue to go, and start to pay the going rate - or unless our owner props our budget up on an ongoing basis - we ain’t going to compete with ‘smaller’ clubs.

    It feels to me like we’re a completely directionless club, lacking in strategy and leadership. We’ll be pinning our hopes on Bowyer ‘doing a Parky’, I.e. running all aspects of the club to something like a professional standard.
     
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  15. Mickey bantam

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    Lloyd Isgrove released by Barnsley, now this would be a good signing if we could pull it off.
     
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  16. Rogered Tart

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    O'Donnell has played behind the worst defence i can remember at Valley Parade, Doyle had the luxury of playing in a well drilled unit. Not much difference between them if any.
     
  17. JonButterfield

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    I'm happy with O'Donnell, he's come away from this season with a lot of criticism, but he's more than good enough for L2.

    Rather we saved our money.
     
  18. Steve1970

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    When you say internal source........ What are the voices in your head actually telling you.
     
  19. hippo

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    Doyle deal dead in the water. Hearts wanting £1.22 up front rising to £1.37 with appearances.
     
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  20. The Evidence

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    I tend to agree with @NorthernMonkey@NorthernMonkey on this one Ronnie, at 35 years old and knowing where we are in footballing terms, I cant see him demanding a huge chunk in wages. Hes in his last seasons granted but i think what hed bring in terms of experience and footballing nouse would surely benefit us on and off the pitch. The Hamilton fans tweeting last night are sorry to see him go and still say hes still solid at the back.

    As you rightly pointed out, hes never really relied on pace, his strength is his footballing brain, therefore L2 should be the best place for him to ply his trade for his remaining years. In addition, if he acts as an example for the younger defenders youd like to think we'd be targeting, it's a no brainer for me. It of all of the old heads weve been linked with again, hes the one I'd most like to see return.
     
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