Most liked posts in thread: Gary Bowyer - when do we judge?

It's fecking simple is football, as one of the best managers of all time said
" The best form of defence is attack ".
GB should stop worrying about the opposition and flooking well get at em.

 

I think the change in the game was down to both. Cooke moved the ball quickly and accurately and got it out to the wings without taking 10 minutes thinking about it. Ismail then ran at their defence and was a real threat. It needed both changes in my opinion.

 

Truly pathetic watching him trying to whip up the crowd with ten minutes to go. You pick the team mate. It's your shitshow and your responsibility to whip up the team, not ours. Not the first time you can't change your tactics to beat ten men.

 

I’ve no problem with this thread to be honest, I think Bowyer has a lot to prove and I’m really concerned with his team formation today. He’s saying all the right things and I’m prepared to give him a fair crack but it’s worrying he got it so wrong today. We know Doyle has been crap but who in the world would you play him in a number 10 role, he’s as far away from a number 10 as Rory bleeding McArdle and that decision worries me. He’s played a right back at left back and given Scannell 12 minutes ( admittedly he was poor ).

I watched a really ponderous team today, I expected a lot more, a team that would go balls out and start to right the wrongs of last season, they failed on their first attempt

Onto Grimsby

 

I saw no lack of effort from any of the players today. They all put in 100% effort, some of their play was not good, but that is not lack of effort. Decision making needs to improve, and especially Gibson, sometimes you have to try and make the risky pass, rather than the easy pass backwards or sideways.

In my mind three extra candidates for MOM, Vaughan, Palmer, Everton-Richards and Mellor.

 

Sorry but this is nonsense Cougars where has he said he’s happy. If people gave more constructive criticism instead of just saying we’re shite, and multiple threads saying when do we question Bowyer and he has no idea then I’m sure he wouldn’t have made the comment that I happen to 100% agree with. Happy clapper I am not, someone with a brain and a bit of perspective after one game however...

 

Yet he never mentioned being happy, just pointed out a few positives in the doom and gloom. So no that isn’t happy clapping, someone with a brain has the ability to look at both positives and negatives it’s analysing. The best business men do it, and university students are required to do it. It’s fine being critical but at least don’t sound like a moaning baby about it, not aimed at you btw.

Regarding Cambridge lucky to stay up is ott imo, they’ve brought in a highly rated coach who’s worked on making them hard to beat which was a big reason they were near the bottom last season, similar to Forest Green the season before they got into the playoffs. Think they’ll be mid table, there’s such a big player turn around at this level I don’t know how anyone can make such bold claims on where a team will end judging on last season, when players and coaches change so frequently.

 

I don't think it's s meltdown, its just disappointment, expectation turning to realism. I saw plenty of effort, l saw us physically stronger than the oppo. Vaughan & Clayton know what they are doing. I think we'll do well when the midfield is sorted.

5 is Matt Clarke reincarnated, but not as good.

Won't miss it though....

 

It was not a good performance but he says its not a thread calling for his head..............he could have fooled me, Christ if some are having a go after the first 90+ minutes God help us if we don't get anything at Grimsby, who beat Morecombe with ease today according to the BBC stats.

 

I like bowyer and have been really happy with pretty much everything he's done since he came in. But if he plays with Doyle, Donaldson and Vaughan together from the start again I'm not sure how long my patience will last. But unlike Hopkin and Collins, he's not stupid and I don't think he'll persist with something that won't work.

 

Although I feel GB needs time to add more bodies,I have to say I am a tad surprised that after a full preseason of structured preparation and a pre-empted team selection by him, it is confusing to see such an undercooked performance.

 

Just pointing out possesion means zilch, I don't have a problem with 22 attempts, but I do think as professional footballers there should be a better ratio of efforts on target, if for nothing else you making their keeper work.
Lets see what we can do at Grimsby (which won't be easy) yesterday was disappointing but not the end of the world, lets hope Bowyer can bring in a much needed play maker maybe a loan from the Premier.

 

The question was when do we judge Gary Bowyer. The answer should be unless results are catastrophic at the end of the season and how successful we have been

 

Baffling post. It’s been well documented we can’t move those players on in pre season so are stuck with them.

He’s hardly gonna start slating them in pre season is he?

They are here. He hasn’t had much choice but to pick them

 

I can't think of many instances of a manager singing someone's praises in the paper then shoehorning them into the team for the sake of playing them if they don't actually rate them.

If you disagree with my post then address it full rather than getting fixated on one sentence. What about the 3 from last season he actively chose to sign, did he not want them even though he offered them contracts? Has he not preferred some of last seasons players to his own even though competent completion in some of those areas exists? Did he not shoehorn Doyle in even though it was completely unnecessary? An odd choice to make for a player he apparently doesn't rate.

Fact is he's signed 13 players and if you dont want to believe his words his actions suggest he rates atleast a couple outside the ones he offered contracts too. I've no doubt that he rates Mellor too and will bring 1 or 2 more of his own players in. Account for everything and we're dealing with about 15-20 players here. Baffling how some think he shouldn't be taking responsibly for that.

 

I wasn't enamored with GB last season, because we really were poor, but there was mitigating reasons for that that are very well documented, so I'm not going to judge him just yet, and I think Saturday was an encouraging start.

granted, if he doesn't get us challenging this season at least for the play offs then he will have failed and will be time to think about a change.
lets see how we get on.

 

Still so much needless negativity after one draw.

We weren’t bad on Saturday at all. We deserved to win the game. We are disappointed not to bag against 10 men but, in the words of Duke Nukem....”s**t happens”.

Roll on Grimsby to give them chance to make amends.

 

The difference is this was a competitive match in league two a lot of the stuff down here is spoiling packing midfield and defence and fight like hell. We just played in front of it on Saturday we need more width and pace especially at home or there will be repeats

 

Am I missing something, Wigan?