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  1. borderlescott

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    Christ on a bike. One game into the new season.

    Imagine being Peterborough, who’ve spent big money this summer, getting stuffed 1-3 at home on the opening day.

    Bowyer is the best man for the job.
     
  2. simons (woking bantam)

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    Fordy, I sometimes find your posts and constant criticisms amusing but tonight you are just being a dick - the vast majority of post (inc yours) throughout the summer have been upbeat and grateful we are getting our club back. We are by no means the finished article, there are existing players we all agree still have a lot to prove and we need more quality - but we have moved a considerable way for the better since as recently as last April.
    First game of the season (and its a draw) and we get pap like this from you, for gods sake get behind the club and stop condemning the manager as shi$e. You are always purely driven by results on the day - there is hope and promise if we win but if not we are crap, the manager is crap etc. This was again highlighted by you gleefully pointing out your love child of last season Josh Wright scored today, does this really mean he is the answer? You are not alone as others have, after the match, stated GB is clueless and doesnt know what he is doing but again if you check their other postings over the summer they talk of new optimism. We are not great if we win and crap if we lose, that is just an emotional response to the result and performance on any given day. We are a club that is fighting hard to get its identity back, to connect with its fans again and it is making progress but there is a long way to go. GB will know as well as anyone if after say 12 games performances and results do not show this progress then questions will more appropriately be asked but to be doing this on the first day of the new season is bloody ludicrous.
    Sorry for the rant (have had a couple of beers) but 'all pulling together' has to be a bit more permanent than some of the negative reaction on here this evening
     
  3. BradfordBanter

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    Can't even be arsed with some of our fans, first game of the season. Get down the road and support Beeston if you're after the manager already. First game, 10 new players, got a point and didn't concede. If you're moaning get a hold of yourself man.
     
  4. JonButterfield

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    He wasn't appointed to keep us up.

    Who ever said that?

    Only you, Fordy, a guy with the patience of a zombie from 28 days later.
     
  5. borderlescott

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    He was brought in after the January transfer window. Couldn’t put his stamp on team. Used the period to assess what was needed this summer.

    He’s now had time to make his stamp but we’ve had only 90 mins of football, with a new team getting to know each other after notable summer changes.

    Blackpool went up with a solid defence - they weren’t free scoring - and he’s set us up, primarily, to be tough to break down too. Clean sheet today. ROD was barely troubled in goal.

    MID and ATT need tinkering on today’s show......that’s perfectly normal for a team in transition like us though?
     
  6. Rogered Tart

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    Take out Donaldson and Vaughan and this team could be average league 2 unless we bolster that weak midfield.
     
  7. Faithful Bantam

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    We simply can’t afford another sacking, in any sense. We have to be prepared to ride over a few bumps. We can’t kee starting again. This summer was the first chance Bowyer had to shape his squad and let’s be honest, much of the shite from last season is still here. Once Akpan, Doyle, Riley and AOC go, that’s probably 12-15 grand a week in wages. That’s 6-8 players at this level, and that’s what’s needed, although 3 of quality will make a big difference to us.

    I’m behind bowyer. But he needs to stop making life harder than it needs to be by playing a balanced side in a sensible formation, and hopefully by taking Jermaine Anderson and Hope Akpan for a long walk into the woods before coming back alone.

    If he persists with the daft formations for another three or four games and results don’t pick up, I’ll start to be more critical.
     
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  8. Petrov

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    There's a reason why they 'failed on their first attempt' as you put it, and it's clear as day where the main problem is. It's been there all pre season, it was there today on the pitch and also on the bench. Until we get a couple of quality midfielders in it will continue to be a problem.
     
  9. Rogered Tart

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    I say it how i see it. That game today was a dire standard of football and it reminded me of just how bad league 2 football is. I'm telling you, a half decent side would have this game sewn up with time to spare. Bowyer needs to stop playing a right back at left back, a 'striker' in the 10 role and Anderson at all. He then needs to play Scannell from the start, Grimsby fans were bemused as to why he didn't start. And he desperately needs CM and possibly a left winger/midfielder, Palmer has looked poor both games but would benefit from a Lewis O'Brien type midfielder alongside him.
     
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    Well after reading that thats me convinced. I must have been at three entirely different games this season judging on my thoughts. I'm still struggling to remember the last time we actually played well. And saying a point at Grimsby is good suggests it was a merited performance. It wasn't. The game was sub standard football for most of the game. read the comments of the opposition we have played so far, all three clubs fans have said we are a poor side. No rose tinted specs on, just a general view on the team they have played on the day. As it currently stands this club is mid table at best in league 2. Is that really what sort of aspirations a 'big club' should have? Have we really fallen that far that we are gauging our performances on a 'well earned point' at Grimsby?
    Lets see what Saturday brings and i'm looking at the performance as much as the result. because if we show signs of improvement with players in positions that suit them but only draw then i'll accept that. But don't tell me that point at Grimsby was a good one, they were arguably the better side.
     
  11. Mickey bantam

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    The last time we were in the shit like we were last season was when Jacko left and Parkinson took over. Parkinson took a while to sort that shit out and even some of his signings at the time were sneered at , but it came good eventually. Now Bowyer is in the same boat and it will take longer than the 5 or 6 months he’s had to sort out the mess and he’s even said that it will take 2 or 3 windows to get his squad in place. I can understand that a lot of our fans have got high expectations of their club but they also need to have realistic views of the situation that Bowyer walked into. Half of his budget was taken up with the shite that he couldn’t release at the end of the season ,and with the capture of Vaughan and Donaldson plus Paudie O’Connor , that would have taken a wedge off the other half of his budget. He brought in another 7 players so he didn’t have much of an option but to offer contracts to Anderson , Devine and Colville just to have some squad depth. Some say he should have brought in just a decent midfielder instead of those 3 but would they have been enough money left to afford a decent midfielder and if he had done that and he got injured straight away then we wouldn’t have had much cover. Bowyer did a decent job at both Blackburn and Blackpool in a similar situation and he needs time to get his own squad together before the knives are out for his head. We had a good few years before Edin took just a couple of years to ruin it , and some fans think that 6 months of Bowyers reign is enough to get it back then all I can say is that they need to be more realistic and cut the guy some slack and let him get on with the rebuilding of our club.
     
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    Doyle and Anderson don’t play, we go 4-4-2 and win 3-0. Funny that, no really.
     
  13. BradfordBanter

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    Not putting him on a pedestal FB. But it's blindingly obvious this was a pathetic thread and the start we've had has shown that. It's also obvious to both the fans and GB the areas of the squad that need addressing and he's on with it but I'd take sh1t performances and 3 points.
     
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  14. borderlescott

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    You make it sound like we let Doyle go for footballing reasons?

    He was allowed to leave to bring our budget closer to where it needs to be and the move was money orientated.

    Doyle has banged in goals galore, yes, but if you listened to the experts on here, few were disappointed to see him leave at the time because, apparently, he was absolutely useless!

    Bowyer still has his hands tied to an extent. We all know central midfield is THE area holding us back. Unfortunately when we had Riley, Scannell, Wright, Doyle etc all on big money, it has meant it has taken time to move them on.

    Devine and Anderson were offered extended deals on the cheap but Bowyer has put more resources into other areas of the team, bringing in BRE - who most would argue is our best player in the handful of games so far - along with the promising Paudie O'Connor from Leeds. However, most of the resource has gone into the attack, bringing in Donaldson and Vaughan, two signings the fans were salivating over.

    You can see that, in turn, as we've managed to move on other players, we're sought to address the midfield issue, bringing in Palmer, Cooke, Connolly and Pritchard. All have made positive contributions since arriving in my opinion, but we couldn't address, DF, MF and ST positions properly all in one go given our budget.

    We are still not the finished article but calling for the manager's head already is a bad, bad call. We are probably not going to see the best of this City side until the second half of the season, when we'll hopefully have brought in that elusive ball winner in CM. Until then it is all about keeping in touch of the playoffs and getting by with the players we've got.

    Looking at the league table shows there are teams in worst predicaments than us. Look at Plymouth and the money they've spent bringing in players like Danny Mayor? Mansfield got gubbed 4-0 home to Cambridge last night and have one of the best squads in the division. Moneybags Salford are struggling following their promotion and taking time to adjust.

    We've played the likes of Cambridge and Northampton who are around us in the table and they were nothing teams. You'd be surprised if we finished below them at the end of the season. We've played Forest Green and Cheltenham, who are two of the playoff hopefuls, and we weren't disgraced in either of those games. It is a bad league, full of bad teams and bad players, but I don't think this City side has done more than 60 % of what it is capable of and that is due to being held back by formation tinkering, injuries, and the lack of a CM.

    We've finally established 4-4-2 is the way to go, thank God, and and we are making progress. We ground out back to back wins prior to last night and should have really come away with the point at Cheltenham given the quality of the chances we created. BRE had a header cleared off the line, Vaughan had a good header saved by the GK and Donaldson put a tricky shot in a great scoring position wide. We are getting at teams down the wings now with Connolly's pace (he also put on the goal) and look more dangerous again.

    We'll dick Carlisle at the weekend and hopefully that will shut up the critics and give them a night off on Sat.
     
  15. Wakefield Bantam

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    People talking of sacking Bowyer, deary me. The bloke is at the start of a major rebuild job remember, the one that was necessary after Rahic?

    What exactly are some of you expecting? 9 wins out of 9 so far?

    The team is clearly bedding in and we’re doing alright overall.

    It’s a sad indictment of football fans today wanting to sack managers after a handful of games and reminds me why I’m going on the likes of this forum and Twitter less and less these days. Thankfully the more constructive and balanced posters make it more bearable. Talking of which, @borderlescott@borderlescott - top post by the way :thumbup:
     
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    Hi all just popped in to see if the meltdown had started yet?
     
  17. Onside

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    I agree with both @Bronco@Bronco and @bantam2708@bantam2708. In my view it was mistake to play Doyle as a number 10, he clearly does not have the talent to play in that role. He is allegedly a striker but one with more limitations than a straight jacket, more on him later.

    I can forgive a manager for making a mistake, on paper three strikers are better than one, but we all knew our midfield was weak. Having watched the match, I would have made changes at half time, Scannell on Doyle off, in effect what he did with very little time left. Far too late in my view, the team had started to panic and look exhausted, not a good time to effect change. So GB needs to look in the mirror on that one. Team selection had an air of ‘ we are going to batter these, so it doesn’t really matter who plays’ A lot has been said about Cambridge and the fact they nearly went down well that was last season. What I saw was a defensive organised outfit, which could have been broken if we had scored.

    It is difficult keeping all your players happy as presumably they all want to play, but you have to be ruthless and put your best 11 out. To leave Scannell on the bench to play a system that had so many weakness was poor in my view. If your best players on the day suit a 442 system then that is what you play.

    Do we need to question our manager, of course not. He definitely got it wrong today, but surely we are not a club that sacks a manager after a few games. The best results come from clubs who stick with their manager.

    Doyle is clearly not good enough, I have heard every excuse in the book, and I know he is not a number 10, but should we not try to get much better, I think so.
     
  18. Keefly Bantam

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    Klopp wouldn't have been able to keep us up last season.

    You are shit stirring for the sake of it and its quite boring.

    GB is accountable for any team he puts out and he knows it. So does the board. So do we.

    You write posts like you are telling us something we don't know.

    1 game into the new season and you come up with a thread like this and you actually have to state that its not a Bowyer out thread.

    Give your head a shake mate.
     
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    Just coming back from a week away in France, so I missed the Cambridge game.

    When the world is going progressively madder around our ears it's so reassuring to have something constant to hang onto - like a 'When do we judge the manager' thread from Fordy after the first league game of the season!
    He never disappoints.
     
  20. JonButterfield

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    Isn't it nice that we don't need an amazing performance to stuff a side 3-0.

    That's what happens when you get the basics right!

    It will do for me, lad.
     
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