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  1. borderlescott

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    Dont get me wrong, i am hacked off as much as everyone, but I think we are being a shade harsh on sparks because of the benefit of hindsight.

    yes, his appointments have been bad, but I have been happy with most when they were made, bar giving mccall an extension on his last deal (and that may have been JR’s call??).

    trueman and sellars led to better results and impressed during their caretaker period, so they deserved perm deals.

    adams was a good appointment on paper. Had just taken morecambe up and dropped back to l2 to manage us.

    hughes was a coup. Dont care what anyone says. We were buzzing when it happened, even though he’d been out of the game.

    i want hughes out now and, yes, id class all as failed appointments - but i’m only able to say that with the benefit of hindsight.
     
  2. Dennis

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    Fair enough.

    Using your example, Adams was appointed with a good reputation having gained promotion with other clubs and with a reputation of doing that on smallish budgets. The ideal appointment! He failed at VP despite his past achievements because his approach didn't fit well with our club. Those cultural and 'soft' issues which are part and parcel of management can't have been part of the decision making. He was a poor appointment for us.

    The appointment of Trueman and Sellars with little if any league experience between them was simply a gamble; a brave gamble but not one which should not have been taken by a club who had aspirations of promotion. It was a gamble which failed after a relatively short time.

    So far as Hughes is concerned, yes we should have gained one of the auto spots. Do I blame the referees for that not happening? No. It was our inability to get the best out of our squad which was responsible whether that was team selection, some of our questionable tactics, our preparation, our game management etc. We were fortunate in having the league's leading scorer in the squad which masked some of the other shortcomings. We flattered to deceive at times. Blaming the refs is just a cop out.

    I recall Sparks saying quite publicly that not getting promotion would be regarded as failure. Hughes also said towards the end of the season that promotion was 'our intention' (his expression). It's self evident that we failed and that Hughes' intention wasn't fulfilled. I have yet to see anything from an organisational or strategic perspective which addresses those shortcomings despite our improvements on the commercial side of the business.

    Is it your view that we should now continue on in the same vein or are changes required if we are to get out of this league?

    Alternatively maybe you could have a word with Sparks? It would help enormously if the CEO could come out and express his concerns and annoyance publicly and how the club will address the mediocre performances which he has claimed previously he doesn't accept.
     
  3. Rogered Tart

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    Not sure why fans are getting on Sparks back? Hughes has a recruitment team and his own assistant. If between them all they can't put together a decent squad vying for promotion at a club with little to no support from the owner how the hell is that Sparks fault? Lad needs cutting some slack here, were a small business but with the pressure of 17/18,000 people breathing down his neck after every move. Yes, he needs to be accountable but not to the levels of a witchhunt.
     
  4. Rogered Tart

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    Then why didn't he do that today? Why hang out to dry an entire starting eleven for 45 minutes when the solution is slapping you in the face? Hughes gets no credit whatsoever today, his tactics cost us 2 points against a very average Grimsby side.
     
  5. borderlescott

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    Sooner Hughes is fired the better. Sparks will dither and drag it into Oct. we need to act now. The bloke does not have a Scooby.
     
  6. Dennis

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    I've said this before. Hughes was a great player; he played at some of the biggest clubs in Europe under some excellent managers. He must have learned a lot from those experiences. He has managed at the elite level of English football and on the international stage. And yet he leaves a lot to be desired at our level of football. It's my belief that he simply doesn't understand what is required to be successful in the lower leagues with a squad of lower league players. And I don't see it changing.

    With some, Hughes is beyond reproach and it's easier to criticise the players. But the reality is that the current squad is almost entirely built from Hughes' recruits; they are coached and prepared by Hughes and Hughes' staff; Hughes selects the team; Hughes dictates the tactics; they play to Hughes's formation. The performances of the squad are Hughes' responsibilty. Unfortunately, it will be more of the same unless Hughes changes his mindset and his approach and I struggle to see how that would happen.
     
  7. bantam2708

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    Sparks cannot be allowed to make another footballing decision at this club ever again, especially with regards to hiring managers. He hasn't got a single footballing decision right since he was made CEO.
     
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  8. Rogered Tart

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    Halliday and Ridehalgh were never the problem last season although some take aim at the full backs as it's the unfashionable position on the pitch. The problem for me during Hughes tenure has been the failure of the central midfield. He's never really got the formula working where we dominate that area of the park and yet again this season I've seen team walk through the middle part of the pitch.
     
  9. simons (woking bantam)

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    Sadly this site has now slipped into a catalogue of comments where the author is trying to trip other contributers up and take a slightly superior stance.
    I still would prefer Hughes was replaced as there are just too many failings in my eyes but I do respect the majority want him to stay, be that for at least another half dozen games or until the end of the season and his current contract.
    I am very disappointed with so much about City at present as I really felt this might be the coaching and recruitment team to take us forward, think thats why I am so underwhelmed by them.
    Going to haave a break on here as my views on Hughes wont change, hope I am proved so wrong and we go on an insane winning run!

    Always a City fan, be kind and tolerant to one another - even the WUM's ;)
     
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  10. Bantamsteve

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    Respect your opinions (we all have them)
    Grinding out the rest of the season for what ?? disappointment of facing yet another season in L2 watching the most negative football imaginable, the frustration of seeing things 17000 fans can but the manager refuses to, he proved yesterday his first half team selection compared to the second half was woeful not forgetting they are all his players
    Have you not seen enough in the 76 (18 months) games he's been in charge 30 wins 24 draw 22 loses (according to Wiki) and the worst brand of football imaginable to realise he's not the man to take us up let alone keep us there
    Yes we have injury problems that's not unique so does every other club at some point in the season but they change things round and make the best of what they have we seem to shoehorn players into a system that's proven not to work
    Cook was never going to repeat last season's heroics and replacing him with Derbyshire was pure attacking suicide
    Won't even touch on Jake Young (he's proving that himself) am done with giving him 10/15 matches I've seen enough in the last 76 to realise it's time to join the "managerial merry go round" again I do however fear the credentials of the "selection committee"
    Hats off to Hughes a fantastic player who risks tainting that reputation by trying to be a manager trading on passed reputation may sell season tickets for us but it's not a recipe for success
     
  11. bantam2708

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    Hughes hasn't been here two weeks. He's been here 18 months. By now, we should've created a clear identity with regards to style and system but the truth is we have neither. Everything is muddled and constantly changing because he still doesn't know what works and what doesn't. Ironically, I'd say our most consistent run of performances came at the back end of his first season but since then, style and intent have deteriorated.
     
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  12. WilsdenBantam

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    STUART, STUART, STUART!

    Bring, him, home, now!
     
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  13. Rogered Tart

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    I agree with this, as much as i'm no fan of Sparks i'm not sure what more he can do in this situation. Although there was an element of luck in the appointment of Hughes it was and still is a big deal bringing in such a big name in the football world. What happens on the field is largely out of Sparks hands, its up to Hughes and Gent to give us a team worth paying the entrance fee to watch.
     
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  14. Bantam@{Lancs}

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    I totally don't have a clue anymore what the right decision is? Are we supposed to stick with a manager who appears to be failing despite having good resources? And all because we haven't stuck with anyone before? I'd love us to find a manager we can stick with but my opinion is MH is not that guy, don't get me wrong hopefully i'm way wrong and he crushes it, but my guess is he's not the guy.
     
  15. Petrov

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    You are absolutely right, Halliday and Ridehalgh were part of a defensive back 4 last season that were the third best in the league. They are still here, as are 2 of the CBs that were part of that back line but in the first game of the season, those 2 CBs weren't even on the pitch, Halliday and Ridehalgh were played as WBs which neither of them are in a month of Sundays, and we had a back 3 of a player who'd featured for us a grand total of 40 minutes the previous season, a young lad who isn't even a CB and another person who isn't even a footballer. Absolute madness.
     
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  16. Dennis

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    I agree with you entirely.

    In the cold light of day, who would make the decision to get rid of Hughes who still has another 9 months left on his contract?

    Rupp? Highly unlikely given that the club is financially stable and doesn't require any injection of funds from Rupp in the immediate future. He'll be happy to let it continue to tick over and wait for somebody to buy the club at his price. Promotion to a higher league would be a bonus for him.

    Sparks? Don't make me laugh! He is still in awe of Hughes and continues to wet his pants at the thought of an email from Hughes landing in his spam folder asking for a job. He hasn't the balls to take such a step even in the best interests of the club. Despite being at VP for several years, I'm still of the belief that he doesn't grasp lower league football. His track record of appointing failing managers tends to support that. It's the name that really matters.

    The only person imo who could remove Hughes from the club is Hughes himself. If he fails to improve performances and fails to get within sight of a promotion spot or completely loses the support of the fans, he may well jump himself. That's the best we can expect.
     
  17. Faithful Bantam

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    I saw 11 players and a manager who had their pants down yesterday, in a far more public setting.

    Get him in.
     
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    Hate these referees who make us pass round at the back till we lose the ball and concede
    They even make us defend on our own goal line after we scored
    They stop us playing another striker alongside Cook
    But what I find most unacceptable is after drawing level at Carlisle when we had a glimmer of hope they take off our best attacking option
    Pfffft who needs em
     
  19. Onside

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    I hope you don’t go. You make very valuable and constructive postings. Like you I keep changing my mind. I also don’t like the superiority postings as if those that disagree are second class citizens. I would love it if we could put a winning run together but I can’t see it happening. You are just as entitled to your view as anyone else in here.
     
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    I clapped like a demented seal at HT.

    That definitely made Derbyshire less shit.
     
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