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  1. Ricc

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    Well, if the club have panicked - and are personally refunding the money in order to stop the flyover then I think we can all quite proudly say to all those naysayers who said it was pointless and a waste of money that WE HAVE MADE A DIFFERENCE!


    Well done everyone.
     
  2. bantam2708

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    I think the fans (especially the 64 contributors of the flyover) have a right to know what damage (financial or otherwise) this would've done to the club. Sick and tired of this cloak and dagger bollocks now.
     
  3. Mike Hunt

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    This thread could be put to bed by @City-since-67@City-since-67 statjng exactly what was said and who said it. But he won’t will he? Why? For the greater good of City, to stop fans ripping into each other? Or because it would destroy his little hard on from thinking he knows something nobody else does? Make up your own mind.
     
  4. Bronco

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    So @City-since-67@City-since-67 why is it all hush hush, you know the facts why not tell us all and take any pressure that Jon may be feeling away from the guy.
    You post above the higher hierarchy do not frequent this forum yet they asked you to act on there behalf, then you state later that this has not come from Edin, so one can only assume it's come from Stefan as there are no other hierarchy, Julian is working on a consultancy basis we are given to believe.
    So I'll ask you again to give the members of this forum the same information you gave to Jon to put him under pressure to made the call, this is not questioning your integrity just to try and make things clearer to members and especially those who funded the fly bye ?.
     
  5. Bigrod

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    An awful lot of stress here for you Jon and many others.

    I accept you had to make a quick decision, but the circumstances should not have arisen in the first place.

    Just a few points to look at.

    • I cannot find the exact thread when the ’Fly Past’ was first mooted, but my recollection is that it was at least the middle of October. To ask you to cancel the ‘Fly Past’ with about 24 hours to go, seems amazing and a clever ploy to force you into corner. The whole £1 entry proposal has been around since 16/11/2018. If potential investors/sponsors/owners were invited to watch the Oxford game and this £1 mechanism was devised to impress them, why not ask you to postpone the ‘Fly Past’ around that time?
    • The fact that the club used an intermediary in @City-since-67@City-since-67 seems bizarre. Firstly @wetherbywhaler@wetherbywhaler is a regular contributor and monitors the site. I think they could have been approached and asked to contact Jon. The club has its own PR & Media Offical Ryan Sparks, surely he should monitor this site on behalf of the Club? If they are the PR person then it seems exceptionally strange that he could not handle this situation.
    • If I were a member of Bingley Bantams, then I would want a degree of transparency. I had a look at their constitution http://bingleybantams.co.uk/onewebmedia/Bingley%20Bantams%20Supporters%20Branch%20(Constitution).pdf it does not really explain the remit of the officials, how they are elected, duration of office, minutes of meetings and circulation. It doesn’t seem to suggest that they should be some form of intermediary for the club. The club already has formal ambassadors!
    • From what I understand, there is no ‘paper trail’, the whole process was done ‘over the phone’, so there will be no record of exactly what was said. Again it seems strange that everything had to be so rushed.
    • Perhaps a question for @JonButterfield@JonButterfield , have you written/typed up what was said? So you have a clear record of the discussion. Perhaps forward that to @City-since-67@City-since-67 so that there can be some agreement?
    • If the actions/promises are not in place and in the public domain by a certain date in the future (I suggest next Friday), then will @JonButterfield@JonButterfield put a further detailed post, clarifying the content of this last minute telephone discussion?
    • Frankly the whole issue could be seen as being a ‘wind up’! I do not like it when some Supporters play this secret ‘In the Know’ game. On BT we are all Fans and mostly actual supporters who attend games. I hate it when we end up with different ‘Classes’ of posters. I believe in the old adage of ‘Tha puts up or shut’s up’. Be open, be straight, rather than start schisms which are not helpful!
     
  6. CT Bantam

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    I think it was very unfair to put this question to you this morning. This fly by has been in the offing for weeks and they could have approached you at any time.

    If I was being cynical, I might think it was deliberately left until you had no chance to consult the rest of us in order to isolate you.

    I really feel for you and I understand and respect what you have done. You have been placed in a very difficult position and as I say this could well have been deliberate.

    What I can be sure of is that if events don't move positively in terms of the Rahic situation for me, I will personally pay for the fly by on my own if necessary.
     
  7. JonButterfield

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    I'm with you.

    I'll tell you this, the decision I made to phone Air Ads and cancel last minute was incredibly stressful. I had rejected the cancellation multiple times because I knew it's not my money, I can't just do what I want with it, people paid in good faith for a flyover protest, and I fully intended to see it realised.

    Some people might be better at dealing with those choices than me, but it put me through the ringer, sweat, pounding in my head, you name it - and all because it wasn't my choice to make, and because I had no way of discussing it with the contributors, no time to look for feedback, no possible way of understanding the outcomes or consequences - so I did what felt right, and fortunately I still think it feels right.

    I'm taking everyone's opinions and input very seriously, believe me.
     
  8. Rogered Tart

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    Agree with the bottom part Fordy, i’d like to know how the flyover would damage the club? Quite ironic to say it would damage the club when the damage has already been done over the past 18 months. I don’t buy this theory that it would put off investment, anybody who is looking to invest in a football club needs thicker skin than that.
     
  9. Mike Hunt

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    I can accept it, I just think your holier than thou attitude towards others stinks more than Edin’s reign.
     
  10. BingleyBantam

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    My twopennth, there may be real and honest reasons why the flyover/protest was cancelled yesterday. However, until the news that Edin Rahic is gone and all ties with him and the club are over then it should only been a stay of execution. The pressure that has been brought to bear by the fans, media, ex-staff, players etc. had made a difference, it’s time for them to react to that pressure.

    Bingley Bantams’ word, following their support of Rahic’s regime, plan, what ever you want to call it, since the tide turned against him, does not hold any credence in my eyes, I wouldn’t take anything they say at face value. I really hope that the rumours are true and that it will be announced that he is gone Monday/Tuesday next week. I no longer care what the reasons are behind it, money, non football matter, legal issues, I want him gone before he does more damage to our club. The longer this whole saga goes on, the harder it will be for the club to recover any trust with the fan base. It needs an urgent conclusion once and for all. Until Rahic is gone the club will not recover.
     
  11. Frank Castle

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    The next couple of days are vital on how this all plays out now.

    If the information that Jon got is correct, the club NEED to get it sorted by Tuesday. I understand that the possible investor part of it all may take weeks to sort out but, the departure (or impending departure) of Rahic needs to be announced officially at some point before the Luton game.

    If this happens then I'd imagine things will calm down pretty quickly, should it not happen though I have no doubt things will escalate just as quick.

    I've spent 25 minutes reading this thread and my belief is that of a few others on here. I think Rahic is going/has gone. I believe it's very likely that Rupp has probably bought him out. I also believe that Julian Rhodes may have lined up a possible investor, perhaps that person is interested in taking on Rahic's shares. This is just me trying to read between the lines, and until something concrete comes out OFFICIALLY then this decision will be under scrutiny.

    I feel for @JonButterfield@JonButterfield and would ask that for anyone who disagrees with his decision to just give it a week and see what the situation is then. Hopefully, it will all by clearer this time next week, Jon will have the money in his bank and the club will be minus one chairman.
     
  12. Onside

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    I am not particularly bothered about the money, it can go to charity. However, I would like to know what has been said to you that instigated the cancellation. I don’t think it is possible to have a sensible discussion on this open forum, as you can see their are those with their own agenda. What I don’t understand on any level is that you were not approached directly by the club ie Julian. They have known this was happening for some time, yet not until lunch time today were you approached by a member of Bingley Bantams and given information that instigated the cancellation.

    I am not in anyway being critical of your decision to cancel and support your decision, but I am concerned that the club is operating in this duplicitous fashion. If it was important to stop the flyover then the club should have come to you directly.
     
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  13. trevor

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    Keep the money until after the January transfer and if things continue to put the club in danger then use the flyover then, If however things have improved then donate the money equally to the two causes mentioned, The threat of the flyover still hanging over certain peoples head will have a good effect keeping the pressure on
     
  14. Johnny Yen

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    It's only three weeks back that this Citysince69 character was telling us of secret meetings with Rahic and couldn't possibly divulge the plans and aspirations for fear of scuppling the vision.
    Now he's telling us Rahic is out of the equation and wheels are in motion that again he can't possible divulge.

    My pet Cat could dicipher that due to the details coming from various media sources.

    He gets 10% of the story, adds another 40% then says he can't indulge us with the rest as its confidential

    He's just full of shit.
    Don't fall for it.
     
  15. JonButterfield

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    If I did indeed cancel the flyover on false pretences, this forum will be the first to know.

    The protests will probably be louder and more obvious than the flyover, I'd like to believe, anyway.

    But for now, I'm behind the club that looks to me to genuinely be trying to turn a corner and attempting to rebuild bridges between club and fans. Rhodes in, Rahic out. Hopkin in full control of transfers and decisions.

    I'm not opposed to future action, but today was the wrong day in my mind.
     
  16. Stevay_b

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    Then answer it to someone else. We're being told it would damage the club but no evidence is there to support that.

    Whispers aren't enough, "oh don't worry things will get better soon"

    We need to know what is happening, soundbites aren't enough
     
  17. bantamlad92

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    I would say that @HUDDERSSBANTAM@HUDDERSSBANTAM provides a real supporter's perspective, rather than a R&R lick-ars£ perspective on our current situation like you do.

    You come across as somebody who gets a bit of a kick out of having links within and having a bit more power than your fellow supporters might.

    It appears as though you want what's best to maintain your links to within the club rather than what the supporters want or what's best for Bradford City F.C moving forward.
     
  18. JonButterfield

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    Lets say a commercial investor is brought to the club and the club are hoping he makes a sizeable investment.

    The club want to put on as positive a display as possible. Full stadium. Positive atmosphere. Good match (hopefully, but what can you do?). Ex player showing the strength and bond the fans have with the club. Enjoyable all round experience. Strong display of the fan (customer) base.

    Jon done.

    Now imagine that investor sees the plane, hears Edin Out chants, doesn't it all look like a sham? The customers aren't happy. No confidence in the very man you're sat next to, who is asking you to invest. They want him out. Boos in the stadium.

    Please invest, sir.

    The club were bricking it because THEY FELT they could lose a deal. They asked me to stop, for the good of the club. I did.

    How is this scenario implausible or beyond your imagination?
     
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  19. Rcbantam

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    What f##king marquee singing
     
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  20. Onside

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    The club don’t come out of this with any credit whatsoever. To put Jon in that impossible position is nothing short of emotional blackmail and at such short notice, and not giving him enough time to properly reflect and consult with the other 63 contributors is shabby to say the least. We may have come to the same decision in the end, but it would not have left Jon having to explain to all in sundry why he cancelled. Like lots of things we were promised transparency, openness and honesty have been binned.

    On a separate note, we appear to attract snowflake investors!!

    R&R are responsible for the mess we now find ourselves in, and the reason for the protest in the first place.
     
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