Quantcast
  1. Welcome to Bantam Talk

    Why not register for an account?

    Not only can you then get fully involved in the community but you also get fewer ads

  2. Premium Membership now Available


    Please see this thread for more details

    Dismiss Notice

Flyover Cancellation

Discussion in 'City Talk' started by JonButterfield, Nov 24, 2018.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. Storck

    Storck Regular Starter

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2018
    Messages:
    38,554
    Likes Received:
    29,357
    Didn't we sign Thierry Henry
     
  2. Captain Black Adder

    Captain Black Adder Fringe Player

    Joined:
    Apr 17, 2018
    Messages:
    822
    Likes Received:
    1,329
    No his son
     
  3. bantamdave41

    bantamdave41 Regular Starter
    P.L.22/23 Entrant P.L.23/24 Entrant Euro 2020

    Joined:
    Apr 9, 2018
    Messages:
    7,094
    Likes Received:
    10,291
    So @JonButterfield@JonButterfield you was held to ransom by the club?

    I just don't understand how a flyover would not result in Henry signing. It's really hard to understand how a flyover would financially damage the club. In fact, I would not be surprised that Henry's signing coincided with our progress to round 2 of the FA Cup....

    However, as you say the pressure was ramped up this morning suggesting ER was on the way out. So a condition, outlined to you by citysince67 or the club directly? Play ball or else?

    Look Jon, I applaud your honesty and respect your decision and superb efforts in organising the initial idea. For the record, I would like to see the evidence you was presented with.

    As for the monies, simply split across the two charities. Both very worthy.

    Thank you for this post Jon. All the best.
     
    Bronco, Goose, CT Bantam and 4 others like this.
  4. bantamlad92

    bantamlad92 Squad Player
    P.L. 21/22 Entrant P.L. 20/21 Entrant

    Joined:
    Apr 27, 2018
    Messages:
    2,844
    Likes Received:
    3,948
    I thought we as fans, and yourself especially, know that under this regime we can’t trust anything unless it’s concrete.

    Was under the impression that the flyover was partly/primarily based on a R&R constantly feeding us bollocks over 3 years and generally being untrustworthy with regards to taking our club forward or even maintaining our current position on the league pyramid.

    Cancelling the protest on the back of words and promises surely contradicts the whole point of the protest?
     
    marshy77 and Stevay_b like this.
  5. HUDDERSSBANTAM

    HUDDERSSBANTAM Squad Player

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2018
    Messages:
    3,193
    Likes Received:
    4,625
    Spot on.
     
  6. JonButterfield

    JonButterfield Star Player
    Qatar 2022 Entrant P.L.22/23 Entrant P.L.23/24 Entrant

    Joined:
    Apr 9, 2018
    Messages:
    14,648
    Likes Received:
    24,663
    If I did indeed cancel the flyover on false pretences, this forum will be the first to know.

    The protests will probably be louder and more obvious than the flyover, I'd like to believe, anyway.

    But for now, I'm behind the club that looks to me to genuinely be trying to turn a corner and attempting to rebuild bridges between club and fans. Rhodes in, Rahic out. Hopkin in full control of transfers and decisions.

    I'm not opposed to future action, but today was the wrong day in my mind.
     
  7. Plastic Bantam

    Plastic Bantam Fringe Player

    Joined:
    Apr 9, 2018
    Messages:
    985
    Likes Received:
    1,640
    I don’t see how he was held to ransom?? He could have said no I don’t want a refund and do the fly over.. he chose not to and has ensured everyone gets their money back. It’s hardly being held to ransom
     
    Stoneski, Bronco, Idlebantam and 3 others like this.
  8. bantamdave41

    bantamdave41 Regular Starter
    P.L.22/23 Entrant P.L.23/24 Entrant Euro 2020

    Joined:
    Apr 9, 2018
    Messages:
    7,094
    Likes Received:
    10,291
    I agree Jon. The future, building bridges. Looking forward.

    But I can't help but being suspicious based on yesteryear events. But I will try.
     
  9. Storck

    Storck Regular Starter

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2018
    Messages:
    38,554
    Likes Received:
    29,357
    Fingers crossed you get your money back
     
  10. HUDDERSSBANTAM

    HUDDERSSBANTAM Squad Player

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2018
    Messages:
    3,193
    Likes Received:
    4,625
    Until we see the info from this morning, we can't say.

    On the face of it, the club bought our silence.
     
    bcfc2015, bantamdave41 and Storck like this.
  11. JonButterfield

    JonButterfield Star Player
    Qatar 2022 Entrant P.L.22/23 Entrant P.L.23/24 Entrant

    Joined:
    Apr 9, 2018
    Messages:
    14,648
    Likes Received:
    24,663
    I'm with you.

    I'll tell you this, the decision I made to phone Air Ads and cancel last minute was incredibly stressful. I had rejected the cancellation multiple times because I knew it's not my money, I can't just do what I want with it, people paid in good faith for a flyover protest, and I fully intended to see it realised.

    Some people might be better at dealing with those choices than me, but it put me through the ringer, sweat, pounding in my head, you name it - and all because it wasn't my choice to make, and because I had no way of discussing it with the contributors, no time to look for feedback, no possible way of understanding the outcomes or consequences - so I did what felt right, and fortunately I still think it feels right.

    I'm taking everyone's opinions and input very seriously, believe me.
     
  12. Get Rid Of It

    Get Rid Of It Squad Player
    P.L.22/23 Entrant Supporter P.L. 20/21 Top 20

    Joined:
    Apr 25, 2018
    Messages:
    2,064
    Likes Received:
    1,884
    By the way, karl Henry is signed up until January, that doesn't look like a marquee signing to me.

    More a short term loan deal, albeit an expensive one but if he provides our leaky defence some cover, he is worth it.

    Plus, i mentioned it in another thread, wasn't rupp coming over in november for a couple of games?
    He had better get a move on.
     
    Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...
    bantamdave41 and JonButterfield like this.
  13. Onside

    Onside Squad Player
    P.L.23/24 Entrant Supporter

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2018
    Messages:
    9,219
    Likes Received:
    15,543
    I am not particularly bothered about the money, it can go to charity. However, I would like to know what has been said to you that instigated the cancellation. I don’t think it is possible to have a sensible discussion on this open forum, as you can see their are those with their own agenda. What I don’t understand on any level is that you were not approached directly by the club ie Julian. They have known this was happening for some time, yet not until lunch time today were you approached by a member of Bingley Bantams and given information that instigated the cancellation.

    I am not in anyway being critical of your decision to cancel and support your decision, but I am concerned that the club is operating in this duplicitous fashion. If it was important to stop the flyover then the club should have come to you directly.
     
    Bronco, Briggus, Inspector and 8 others like this.
  14. bantamdave41

    bantamdave41 Regular Starter
    P.L.22/23 Entrant P.L.23/24 Entrant Euro 2020

    Joined:
    Apr 9, 2018
    Messages:
    7,094
    Likes Received:
    10,291
    Sir, you may well be correct in your version of events. Jon had a very difficult decision to make, one im sure you would agree must have been very challenging.

    I may be well wide of the mark, talking utter nonsense, but the maths don't add up.
     
  15. bantamlad92

    bantamlad92 Squad Player
    P.L. 21/22 Entrant P.L. 20/21 Entrant

    Joined:
    Apr 27, 2018
    Messages:
    2,844
    Likes Received:
    3,948
    Fair enough mate.

    You took on a lot of responsibility on your shoulders by doing this and put in a lot of time, which can only be applauded.

    I also believe you’ve given a satisfactory public explanation as to why it didn’t go ahead.

    Truth be told though, from what you’ve actually said, it 100% should have still gone ahead - the only thing that should have stopped it would have been an official club announcement stating that Edin Rahic has left the club. The fans have had enough of ifs, buts, maybes, promises that turned out to be bullshit and false statements etc.

    It wouldn’t have damaged the club - it would have damaged Rupp & Rahic’s reputation and rightly so for the way they’ve run us into the ground.
     
  16. bantamdave41

    bantamdave41 Regular Starter
    P.L.22/23 Entrant P.L.23/24 Entrant Euro 2020

    Joined:
    Apr 9, 2018
    Messages:
    7,094
    Likes Received:
    10,291
    3.5k a week? 10 weeks. Fa cup money, no issues with the club balancing the books
     
    bantamlad92 likes this.
  17. bantamdave41

    bantamdave41 Regular Starter
    P.L.22/23 Entrant P.L.23/24 Entrant Euro 2020

    Joined:
    Apr 9, 2018
    Messages:
    7,094
    Likes Received:
    10,291
    As I said in conversation with @Plastic Bantam@Plastic Bantam , it must have been a very hard call. I am not being critical of yourself or your stance.

    Apologies, if I have inferred otherwise
     
  18. Plastic Bantam

    Plastic Bantam Fringe Player

    Joined:
    Apr 9, 2018
    Messages:
    985
    Likes Received:
    1,640
    What utter nonsense you’re all making it sound seedy.. if Jon has any doubt he was getting hoodwinked he’d just say stuff ya the plane is flying.. what does he care who’s feelings he hurts certainly not the owners..

    Clearly all that’s happened is they’ve said if you cancel it we’ll refund it so no one is out of pocket
     
    JonButterfield likes this.
  19. HUDDERSSBANTAM

    HUDDERSSBANTAM Squad Player

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2018
    Messages:
    3,193
    Likes Received:
    4,625
    Why cancel it? What's changed?
     
    Johnny Yen likes this.
  20. JonButterfield

    JonButterfield Star Player
    Qatar 2022 Entrant P.L.22/23 Entrant P.L.23/24 Entrant

    Joined:
    Apr 9, 2018
    Messages:
    14,648
    Likes Received:
    24,663
    You're right, I wasn't bullied into any decision, nobody has acted out of turn here.

    I was offered a full refund on the basis that cancelling the flyover had genuine financial implications, and on that basis my thinking was the club needs all the finance it can get, and the flyover can still take place in two weeks time if people aren't satisfied.

    Air Ads, incidentally, are more than happy to continue to deal with us.

    But yes, nobody acted out of line - nobody.

    It was a discussion and a decision borne of that discussion.
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page

  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
    Dismiss Notice