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Any second referendum should be boycotted, we know what we want and what's needed, sort it out your bloody selves you self serving parliament pricks...

 

Demographics is a side show in my view. If somebody would like to explain to me why age matters. Everyone in the country who were eligible to vote had the choice to vote.

If you didn’t vote because you didn’t understand, that is no excuse, if was your duty to find out before you voted. There are always pluses and minuses on both sides or the argument it is for the citizen to analyse what they think would be best for themselves, family and the country as whole.

I voted no when I was asked the first time, as a young person, I thought it appeared like an exclusive club for rich ppl. Since then it has expanded beyond all recognition taking an active part in all our lives.

Not one person knows what the impact on our lives will be if we stay in the EU and if we leave. All of it is speculation. In my view what we have to do is stop cowering and being frightened of change, we have to stand up and be brave. This is what the country voted for, yes on both sides they may well not have known how it would impact but the majority voted for a complete change.

I can think of many elections where I railled against the outcome, it wasn’t what I wanted for my country. If we could have reversed the decision, would I have gone ahead? Absolutely not, because that would have been totally undemocratic, and we mess with that at our peril. Our democracy is not perfect, and like many other versions it has flaws, but it is what we have adopted, and to ride rough shed over it will see our country diminished beyond all recognition.

 

I bet you voted remain , your final comment above reminds me when we were in the school yard and when we didn't get our own way we said "best of three" and if that didn't work " best of five" but we shouldn't expect anything less with the EU.
The first referendum on the Treaty of Lisbon held on 12 June 2008 was rejected by the Irish electorate, by a margin of 53.4% to 46.6%, with a turnout of 53%.
The second referendum on the Treaty of Lisbon held on 2 October 2009 and the proposal was approved by 67.1% to 32.9%, with a turnout of 59%.

EDIT, the two most senior member of the then Tory Government state this :
The UK's EU referendum represents a "once-in-a-lifetime decision", Chancellor George Osborne has said.

He told Newsnight it was "unrealistic" to assume the poll - likely to be held later this year - would be repeated.

Britain will not hold a second referendum on its membership of the European Union if the result of a June 23 vote is close, Prime Minister David Cameron said on Tuesday.
Now it's not gone the way they and many other expected they want another vote.

And some say there was only the leave side telling lies.

 

I agree but when trying to negotiate a deal then to take the possibility of walking away without a deal is playing right into your opponents hand, I've been Labour all my life but the stance they are taking now makes it hard for me to take them seriously and as Ive said before there are so many things they say they would put in there next manifesto I'd love to be implemented, gas,electric, water, railways all to be taken back into public ownership.

 

I thought the EU had plans that state public owned companies are to be put out to private tender- see the royal mail(now owned by a german company).
Corbyn or anyone else wishing to turn back the austerity in the public sector will know the EU will block those dreams.
You dont invest in the public sector anymore, you leave that for private companies to make a profit from.
See the NHS.
Corbyn is well aware how the EU operates, hence his euroscepticsm,a lifelong habit.
Labour voters have to understand that if they wish to remain in the EU customs union then plans for public investment in this country "remains" a dream- pun intended.

ps as a Leave voter, i like europeans, i just dont like the way the EU now operates.
A european common market- now i'd like some of that.

 

Maybe if these young people had got off their arse's or Xbox's and gone and voted the referendum might have been different, always someones else's fault "your voting away our future" I only got one vote same as the next man/woman it's not difficult to work out.

 

I think most of us are left without a party to please us, and will end up voting for a party just to keep the other bastards out....

 

As you wish, You lost the argument anyway and have little understanding of grown up topics it is best you give up.

BTW when you see Juncker the unelected President of the EU taking the mickey out of a UK elected Prime Minister on worldwide TV and saying some insulting words about other elected members you do not think they are taking the piss out of elected politicians and laughing at them knowing they themselves will never have to face an election and cannot be removed? Bizzarre

 

You need to learn more about your beloved EU, No member of the commission or the President is directly elected, The commissioners are each APPOINTED by national member governments there is no election involved and certainly no democracy, The president is APPOINTED by a similar method and he is the figurehead of the EU, They run the EU but are never elected by any voter directly, The Parliament is elected and we do have a vote on our MEP but the Parliament has no law making powers of its own it need approval of the commission, The parliament has no power to initiate any laws only the commission can do that then send its recommendations for approval or otherwise, It does have budgetary oversight and does have the power to appoint or dismiss commissioners after discussion with member governments.
The amount of democracy is minimal
BTW You started the personal insults calling my comments although valid childish, I did not insult you in any way, you suggested giving up posting on the topic and I agreed it was best if you felt that way,
It is noticeable that you make no reply to the fact that The president of the EU made insulting comments about our Prime Minister and even she complained in a speech about the insults, making fun of her and lack of respect by the EU to a democratic leader of a nation that was a huge lack of respect , She is not the only one Juncker has a habit of this with other leaders he feels are below him or not doing as he wishes

 

Expected reply from you Nottsy, A post that shows your ignorance and childlike approach to anything you do not understand or you dislike, The typical reply from someone who is unable to make a contribution to the debate so throws childish comments instead, Sad, really really sad

 

Absolute 'WINNER' spot on mate...

 

Choice one is laughable, Remain "Better the devil you know" The EU is changing all the time and gets ever more powerful over its members for example it will soon create its own armed forces and take over defence decisions creating an EU Ministry of defence, Other powers will no doubt be passed as it strives to be the united states of Europe, The contributions the UK send to the EU will go up in the years to come, The gross contribution is £19 Billion this year (Around £266 for every person in the UK gross and £143 Nett ource ONS ) We pay less because we get a £5 Billon rebate and the EU spends another £4.4 BIllion on our behalf, Future payments are almost certain to increase quite a lot as the £5Billion rebate ends and the amount the EU demands goes up, The Better the devil you know comment should read Beware the devil you have no control over

 

The issues we have with interpreting what Brexit actually is...Christ knows the difficulty we will have actually implementing it.

I can see the transition period lasting until 2022, coincidentally the next election.

 

Ironic the EU wants to fund an army when the likes of France and Germany have not made the full contributions to Nato for years.

 

We voted out mate, not some arrangements made behind closed doors by a remainer. I don't care what feeble excuse you come up with. There's a good reason why Davis and Raab resigned. You are obviously an anti democrat. We want out, that's what we voted for. Out next March and fully out. Tell me what the two people responsible for Brexit, more than anyone, think about this? Farage and Johnson. Then get back to us and tell us how this so called deal is what we voted for. It's nothing like it, not even close. You either believe in democracy or you don't. You clearly do not.

 

I'd like to think that would be good enough but right now I fear for our democracy.....we have seen shameful behaviour and cowardice from some 75% of parliament..

 

The EU won't go for that though. They hold all the cards now, as they have from day one despite the proclamations of the Brexiteers.

No idea how this will end up now. I don't think parliament will let us go out with no deal, but I don't think there is a compromise that will get through either.

Deeply worrying times. For us to be leaving the EU at a time of deep tensions between the US and China is less than ideal. We've been protected in the EU for so long. We will be treading on eggshells trying not to upset the Chinese for any deal within Africa.

I get the huge significance of the Irish border and that is a nightmare to negotiate through. However, what worries me more is that we are politically so woefully underprepared to trade under WTO conditions.

My guess is that we may end up with a 'national unity' government to get us through the next couple of years. The Tories are about to tear themselves apart, and I doubt a party led by BJ or similar will win a majority at the next election.

 

Should be renamed a remainders Jackanory opinion, Full of holes and the worst that could happen, The only thing he omits is that he fails to have an opinion on the end of the world and his doom laden opinion on that scenario,
Sheer scare story, Lots of opinion but very little fact on what is likely to happen,