Brexit - 2nd Referendum - The (Bradford City FC) Peoples Vote

I voted out and remain a leaver , the unelected EU are showing their true colours . I actually think the EU will implode in the next couple of years with a lot of countries pulling out , maybe this is why Macron and Merkel are promoting a EU army , to " influence " future referendums .

 

Vote out, We are a cash machine for the EU and will be even more so to finance the new EU Army that France and Germany has proposed taking over defence policy from member nations ( Or states as the EU now calls them )

 

Could start the break up of the UK that’s what concerns me most tbh. You could have a full on withdrawl and the turmoil that will create and then you can bet your bottom dollar what will come next, especially north of the border.

I voted remain and have seen nothing to make me change my mind. Having said that, the vote was done, i just wish they’d get it sorted so they can get back to their proper day jobs. What happens in the future good or bad for normal people (and i’m suspecting the latter), the instigators of it all should not be forgotten.

 

As it stands I can't see the proposed deal getting through parliament which probably increases the chances of 2nd vote because there's no way that this government (not to mention parliament as a whole) has any appetite for a No Deal outcome.

Any 2nd vote can't just be an in/out affair, because it needs to cover the 3 options on the table (stay in EU, leave with deal, leave without deal) so it'll probably have to be a 2 question ballot firstly to ascertain if people want to stay/leave and then if the outcome is still leave then it'll be a choice between the proposed deal or no deal.

I wasn't a huge fan of a 2nd referendum but without a unified pro-Brexit party winning a clear majority at a snap GE then there's no other way of getting parliament to realistically agree to either of the 2 Leave options.

 

With the first referendum, I doubt that many people had thoughts in their minds about
the single market,
the customs union,
free movement of goods for just-in-time manufacturers,
chaos and blockages at UK ports due to new requirements for customs and goods verifications,
a hard border between Northern Ireland and the Republic,
the break-up of the United Kingdom,
the collapse of the pound,
possible restrictions on your rights to travel to and buy property in Europe,
the convenience of having free trade and movement of goods with our closest neighbours in the world's biggest trading bloc,
the difficulties of negotiating alternative trade deals, with poorer and more distant countries,
£36 billion of financial obligations to the EU.
And many other issues that have come to light in the Brexit discussions

What I am sure they DID have in mind were things like:
£350m per day into the NHS (a lie)
uncontrolled immigration (but the economy needs foreign workers and taxpayers in agriculture, the health service and service industries for example, faced with an ageing population)
being told what to do by Brussels unelected bureaucrats.
This where the biggest misunderstandings arise. Brussels is a city. I suppose they meant the EU, which is a collective of institutions. The decisions come from the Council of Ministers, which means the ELECTED governments of each of the member countries. Their decisions have to be approved by the European Parliament, which is directly ELECTED by the European people, or at least by those who can be bothered to turn out and vote. If you didn't vote, don't complain.
The European Commission is the civil service tasked with applying and enforcing the decisions by Council and approved by Parliament. The 12 commissioners heading the Commission were all nominated by the elected governments to take charge of specific portfolios, for a limited period, to execute the Council's decisions.
The European Commision institution is made up of SELECTED officials, who all had relevant qualifications, experience and passed entrance exams and interviews - like me. Jean-Claude Juncker and I have never told you what to do but simply underlined what is legal and permissible under legislation.
To call any civil servant an unelected bureaucrat is true but silly and dismissive of anybody you know who works as a civil servant in the tax office, the DHSS, the transport department, local government, teaching etc etc.
"Unelected bureaucrat" is just a stupid, empty, tub-thumping chant from the likes of the Daily Mail and the Express.

I believe many people have learned a lot more since the first referendum and are now better informed about what they want and about what is best for the UK.

Another thing: the first referendum offered 2 choices - remain or leave. In reality, these were not 2 choices. Remain was simple. As you were, remain in the EU, nothing changes
Leave was a different matter. There was no single leave strategy. Some leavers argued that it would be advantageous to leave but idiotic to leave the single market and the customs union, others did not. Some looked at the Norway model, where they benefit from the single market access, pay into it but have no seat at the decision-making table. Some looked at Swiss or Canadian models, or Canada ++. Remain was a single option but I have seen it said that leave had 27 different permutations.
I would say that Remain was already the biggest vote in the 1st referendum.

 

And if we don’t like the result we can have a third one

 

Going to have to be quick with the deadline of end of March looming

 

Choice one is laughable, Remain "Better the devil you know" The EU is changing all the time and gets ever more powerful over its members for example it will soon create its own armed forces and take over defence decisions creating an EU Ministry of defence, Other powers will no doubt be passed as it strives to be the united states of Europe, The contributions the UK send to the EU will go up in the years to come, The gross contribution is £19 Billion this year (Around £266 for every person in the UK gross and £143 Nett ource ONS ) We pay less because we get a £5 Billon rebate and the EU spends another £4.4 BIllion on our behalf, Future payments are almost certain to increase quite a lot as the £5Billion rebate ends and the amount the EU demands goes up, The Better the devil you know comment should read Beware the devil you have no control over

 

Another report based on nothing more than guesswork, Just like those that said the economy would tank on voting leave, It actually increased or the report we would each be thousands worse off if we did not join the Euro, Thes reports are heavily influenced by the opinion of the writer, They are far from fact

 

Admire your blind faith that life in an ever changing and controlling EU will be better for us but we will have to disagree, The world is changing and the EU is a spent force ever controlling itself as the rest of the world expands, Our real future is outside and that is where our future prosperity lies, Despite economic guesses and reports that have and will prove wrong

 

you should get out more, Lots of business support it,

 

Well if we can do trade deals ourselves then just like the boss of Aston Martin said on tv yesterday the exporters who sell to the rest of the world who make up around 60% of our exports would gain immensely from trade deals instead of having to pay immense ever growing bucket loads of cash to the EU