Brexit - 2nd Referendum - The (Bradford City FC) Peoples Vote

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Universities.
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Jobseekers.
Students.
Disabled.
Foreigners.
Jeremy Corbyn.
The EU.
Unions.
Black people.
Remainers.
Gay people.
Vegetarians.
The NHS.
The BBC.

Anybody except the Tory party and the Brexit backers.

 

Skinny jeans tucked into White socks, with white trainers, w@nkers. You missed them.

 

So if May defeats the no confidence vote, which is definitely possible, what is the actual point of this vote?? Surely they’d have to call it and be pretty sure of winning the vote? Otherwise it’s just a massive waste of time.

 

Yeah, lets carry on sending a net £10,000,000,000 every year to those criminal thugs trying to keep a decaying Europe together.......
Mind you, Corbyn would probably volunteer to send 'em more....

 

The current Labour plan for a deal is to stay in the customs union and single market on a permanent basis, This would mean,Paying £billions to the EU every year, Free movement of people from the EU and no limit on immigration, Free movement of capital to the EU, Not been able to agree trade deals independently of the EU and agreeing to them arranging them on our behalf, Agreeing to all EU laws and loss of sovereignty, We would lose all say in the EU as all our officials and politicians would leave, In fact the only difference from staying in the EU is that we would have no say in the future of the EU as we have now. Some Deal

 

Read this and weep. The realities of Brexit. No Deal is an economic catastrophe, but even a transition is a disaster:

 

Should be renamed a remainders Jackanory opinion, Full of holes and the worst that could happen, The only thing he omits is that he fails to have an opinion on the end of the world and his doom laden opinion on that scenario,
Sheer scare story, Lots of opinion but very little fact on what is likely to happen,

 

Isn’t he quite a euro-skeptic ??

 

Surely pretty much everything is opinion on what is going to happen rather than facts?

I agree that the proposed deal, making us a rule taker, is just ridiculous. We need to abandon it .

I will make the point that we export over £250 billion of goods and services every year to the EU. If we see our contribution to the EU as a market entry cost, then that doesn't seem to bad.

How much will it cost us to agree trade deals around the world, if we leave the EU? Markets we want to access don't come for free. People get excited about our 'foreign aid' budget, when in fact a significant amount effectively greases the wheels of trade.

There is a huge amount of pain coming our way, if we leave the EU.

 

An Alternative view based mostly on facts and the EUs own reports that are usually suppressed by the remain
media
https://www.politico.eu/article/brexit-no-deal-pain-is-uk-gain/

 

Fair enough , but most of it is conjecture based on forecasts. I note the heavy use of modal verbs - could, would, should.

I don't doubt that there are significant opportunities for us with no deal, but there is also a potentially huge downside especially in the short-term. The upheaval and uncertainty if we just crash out is frightening. It is fine for multi-millionaires to be blasé about the impact, for millions of people who will take the brunt of the impact it is an appalling prospect.

Yet, I don't see how we avoid that prospect now other than not leaving in March next year.

 

This is nothing more than the familiar Brexiteer wishful thinking. It is essentially the head in the sand mantra of ''they need us more than we need them", re-worded.

It's utter rubbish. Fantasy. Eleven months on from this article there is no sign of these supposed concessions and not a scrap of evidence that there will be any. All the evidence points to the contrary.
Even with our Parliament in gridlock, and no chance of getting Maybot's fudged deal passed, the EU is united in saying there is no more to be negotiated - take it or leave it.

The EU has consistently said we can't have our cake and eat it. They will not give concessions that give us trade preferences over other non-EU countries unless we are prepared to abide by the rules of their club, and why should they?
The fact is that they are prepared take the hit of a No Deal Brexit rather than undermine the fundamentals of the EU. Hard Brexit will hurt them, but nowhere nearly as badly as it would hurt us. They don't want it to happen, but it's preferable for them than to cave into our wish for special treatment and then see other countries threatening to leave in order to engineer similar concessions.
Dream on Trevor. These last minute concessions ain't gonna happen.

We are faced with a choice. 1. May's fudge, which just kicks the can down the road, gains us nothing and pleases no one. 2. No Deal, which will be economically catastrophic for us, despite your delusions to the contrary. 3. Rescind Art.50 and Remain - the only sensible option.

 

On the contrary. The article is based on the evidence of how international trade actually works in practice, rather than the fantasies of Brexiteers that the EU will make an exception for us and abandon all its standards and procedures for non-EU countries.
Which parts of the article are factually incorrect? Do tell.

 

Practically all of it is doom laden and extremely biased, Lets see what happens it is not far away

 

Fair comment mate but the last three words say it all, since when did it change from leaving to "if we leave" a sad situation with regards a so call demacratic vote/decision, IMO a sad day whether your a remainer of leaver.

 

Yes Corbyn always was until now, Of course he has not got the ability to stand up to his brexit minister Starmer who rules over him making all Labour policy on Brexit without fear of contradiction from a weak Corbyn, He has a weak personality and would be a disaster for the country if ever elected

 

So Dave, it's ok for the Tory Party to have a fresh vote about their leader after two years because circumstances have changed. But not ok for the country to do the same about Brexit, when circumstances have clearly changed

 

No idea what he actually thinks. I vote labour but tbh I’m not that impressed with him. He’s not used this opportunity to show people what he really stands for. Not impressed with many of them across the board though - they’re not in the same boat as most of us, these bumps in the rd and unquantifiable ‘short term’ issues won’t be felt by them in anywhere near the same magnitude. Just listen to reece-mogg’s voice - impoverished that one. As i said - hard exit now - let you lot have your way and your bumps in the rd, break up the UK on top of it down the line as well, because that will be the next thing. If the latter happens it will be hard to forget what led to it.

 

But which bits of it are wrong?