Brexit - 2nd Referendum - The (Bradford City FC) Peoples Vote

After all those months of the Daily Mail and The Times imploring Mrs May to listen to Jeremy Corbyn, who everyone knows is the only person who can save Brexit, it is no wonder they are so cross with him this morning...

 

Does it really matter what party your on , when really it’s about national interest ? Surely the best option here now is to all sit down together and work out the best deal for the country . It shouldn’t be about sides. The country voted leave . That’s final .Now let’s work out as a country what is the best deal we can get and deal with it

 

I agree but when trying to negotiate a deal then to take the possibility of walking away without a deal is playing right into your opponents hand, I've been Labour all my life but the stance they are taking now makes it hard for me to take them seriously and as Ive said before there are so many things they say they would put in there next manifesto I'd love to be implemented, gas,electric, water, railways all to be taken back into public ownership.

 

I'm not sure he had an option though. It will be the poorest in society that will feel the most pain from tariffs being applied to goods entering the country. Both as consumers and as workers in industries impacted. The country as a whole will survive no deal, but the impact on the poorest will be greatest. That's why he has to stand up to that outcome imo.

I could see a 'soft' Brexit getting through parliament but it will probably destroy the Tories and rip apart Labour's support base.

 

I don’t think there will be any tariffs if there is a no deal tariff. Currently the EU import more goods to us than we to them, so in my view that is the first thing that would happen is that nil tariffs. They have already said there will be a suspension of lorries requiring passes, this will last for 9 months. I think there will be a disruption to the economy for a period of months. I just don’t believe that it will be the disaster that is being predicted.

If we are leaving, of course it makes sense to have a trading agreement with our closest neighbours but it can’t be at any cost. There is a tipping point that it is not in our nations financial interests whereby you might well as stay in the EU, rather than this half way in. I may be wrong but that is what have picked up.

 

Good post mate you are quite right it will be the poorest in society that have to shoulder the brunt of brexit.
Unforunatly this is always the case, remember Camerons famous "were all in it together" crap, with regards Corbyn having to do it because of your reason yes he has to be seen as the working mans savior, but rightly as you say many many working people voted leave we knew there would be repercussions and many as myself thought it something worth having for a period.
I believe Theresa May will make the best out of Corbyns and the Labour parties stance especially if other parties or individuals from other parties take up her offer.
I'm in total agreement with your last comment:

I could see a 'soft' Brexit getting through parliament but it will probably destroy the Tories and rip apart Labour's support base.

I could never envisage places like South Yorkshire being anything but Labour but if this deal is seen to be scuppered by Corbyn and the Labouf party he will pay in the long run, and boy do we need analternative to this shower who are presently in power.

 

We have to accept the deal to get to the next stage, we know the French have stated they want access to our fishing waters, Spain has said they want to discuss Gibraltar sovereignty, Im sure there will be other examples of our EU friends wanting things changing, and this is after we sign a deal to stay in the EU total madness.
No one knows how the future will pan out it was only last week the Japanese had their twopenath telling us the world would prefer the status quo, rather ironic that the likes of Japan, America, etc would never allow their countries sovereignty to be decided by anyone other than their own elected governments, in the UK situation can be change after 5 years.

 

They won’t give us a deal that doesn’t involve vast amounts of money coming from us plus all kinds of other restraints. I am not sure it is worth tbh, and could keep us in the EU, but without the benefits. We basically want a trading deal, which is what we voted for originally. The two stances are incompatible so I came to the conclusion that it was either all in, or all out. I don’t think there is a middle road, and if we try and push one through we will be the losers. I am not certain about anything anymore old political allegiances have been broken. I have voted Labour all my life, but don’t agree on their Brexit stance such as it is, I am extremely concerned about Corbyn who appears to have ditched his principles. His statement this morning, he won’t participate in discussions with May unless no deal is off the table!!


If we had a GE tomorrow I don’t know who I would vote for, I might even have to abstain never done that in my life either.

The whole Brexit process has been very badly handled.

 

Commie Corbyn thinks he's bloody Arthur Scargill, he'll end up dumped by his masters, unfortunately only to be replaced by another from their momentum stable, no moderate labour MP will ever again get to be their leader...
Maybe Mrs May should wear a balaclava then the fool might be willing to meet her...

Sorry No10 - Mr Corbyn's got too many important meetings to talk about Brexit.'

 

So gracious of the remainers to except anything , it was clearly stated in the government issued pamphlet what a leave vote would mean , i find it very ironic that the more intelligent and younger voters are the ones that didn't , i remember this conversation 2 years ago , the lies about there isn't a plan for a EU army ( why would a trading block need 1 anyway ?) .

Macron and Merkal want more powers transfering to Strasbourg or Brussels ( whoevers turn it is this week ). They want satilite states IE the UK etc to be mearly vassels in a European super state . The French are in disarray as the green vest protest s are Showing , Germany are on the brink of recession , how will these 2 countries pay the shortfall when we leave . Thats the crux of the matter though they arn't really bothered about the UK in general they just want our contributions to finance their failling experiment .

The protests have started already in this country , whether you like it or not they will get much much worse if the ruling Political elite across Europe do not listen to the electorate . How many referendums do you think it would take 3 , 4 ,6 ? till the EU get the result they will accept . I remember forecasting the rise of right wing politics 2 years ago it's been proven correct , this is all down to the idiots in Westminster and in Europe . Both the main parties in this country are finished ( or will be next election ) .

What is needed is a new party that listens to the people and acts on their behalf , there are too many career MPs who only care about their constituents at election time , well suck it up because this country will never ever be the same again .

 

I thought the EU had plans that state public owned companies are to be put out to private tender- see the royal mail(now owned by a german company).
Corbyn or anyone else wishing to turn back the austerity in the public sector will know the EU will block those dreams.
You dont invest in the public sector anymore, you leave that for private companies to make a profit from.
See the NHS.
Corbyn is well aware how the EU operates, hence his euroscepticsm,a lifelong habit.
Labour voters have to understand that if they wish to remain in the EU customs union then plans for public investment in this country "remains" a dream- pun intended.

ps as a Leave voter, i like europeans, i just dont like the way the EU now operates.
A european common market- now i'd like some of that.

 

Not too sure the privatised utilities are doing a good job especially the railways, I'd say they are all cartels within there different sectors.
When we come out of the EU they will no longer have any say in how our government want to proceed, surely that's the whole point in leaving ?.
I'm with you no problem with our European neighbours had some great holidays abroad and hope to continue, and if the EU try to make it difficult for UK citizens to go to any EU member states for a holiday I'll continue going to Egypt, I understand the Egyptian government have now meet the criteria set down with regards flights out of Sharm El Sheikh.
The Common Market yes I remember those days very well.

 

Me too, just, and I know the reasons we joined too. It's amazing that the elderly "leavers" (Like my mum) voted for a long gone Britain from their youth that didn't even exist in the first place! It was sunny every day when they were young.......

Thank god me and my kids hold dual nationality and can be in or out whatever happens.

 

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You’ve done him there, Bronco.

 

Maybe if these young people had got off their arse's or Xbox's and gone and voted the referendum might have been different, always someones else's fault "your voting away our future" I only got one vote same as the next man/woman it's not difficult to work out.

 

Difficult for some.....you can't vote till a certain age & rightly so. Conversely, you shouldn't able to vote after a certain age, l'd recommend 5 years before your current age.

 

I'd suggest 18 is an age when teenagers should either be aware of the world around them and get involved.
Now with regards you last comment I think many 70 year old's have a wealth of worldly experiences things that you accumulate over your life which allow you to voice your opinion and in the case of the referendum vote which way the individual see the future outside a very undemocratic club.
The EU has come a long way since the days both your parents, me and my parents voted with regards staying in the EC/EEC, the original idea being advantages of trading between like for like countries, rather ironic one of the pledges by the then Labour government was " the October 1974 general election had promised that the people would decide "through the ballot box" whether to remain in the EC.
Prime Minister Harold Wilson said: "I ask you to use your vote. For it is your vote that will now decide. The Government will accept your verdict."The pamphlet also said: "Now the time has come for you to decide. The Government will accept your decision—whichever way it goes." ring any bells.

 

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First time Ive seen that. Absolutely brilliant.

Gove for PM!!