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Talking of music. I have always said the MOBO awards are racist. Can you imagine if there was a MOWO awards

 

That's a class/poverty issue, not a race one.

 

It’s not done just because you have a rant and say it is - there’s some intelligent people putting forward their views and I for one am enjoying reading them.
Essentially we can all agree that there’s problems in our society, but unless a broad spectrum dialogue is undertaken, then issues will never be resolved or grievances avoided.
Grow up Fordy and drop out if you can’t handle it.

 

This is the winner for me on this thread, and what I have said to more left leaning work colleagues the last few days even though I consider my self centre left. You can’t just defend people ripping statues down, some will say they did in Facist and communist countries but we’re a democracy and that’s some I still strongly believe in. Question why statues are up no problem, start a petition to have them removed again no problem. But you can’t have a mob trying to erase history and force their beliefs on people. We’ll progress as a nation through debate/discussion and through learning about history the good and bad and learning from it so we can improve as a human race. But some would rather start some poor mans Russian Revolution instead. I do question just how many people still believe in democracy in this country it’s hard to tell sometimes.

 

Probably because they had lived under Nazi oppression, same with ex soviet states. Had we just been oppressed by someone I’m sure we’d all be knocking down monuments they had built to themselves. As I’ve said I have no feelings for the statues, but we live in a democracy there are ways and means to get things done and I’d like to think that was by sensible debate and discussion. It starts with a statue, but how many coppers have now been attacked. This is where mobs get countries, it’ll be like Nazi Germany pre 1934 if we aren’t careful, far right and far left fighting on the streets. Great thought.

 

I'll be honest, I'd never heard of Edward Colston until this week. I have sympathy with the idea that his statue shouldn't be there. I have a concern with the manner of its removal. And its not even as simple as me having a worry because it was torn down - I generally don't believe that actions like that should be allowed, but I do recognise that extreme action is occasionally merited. My worry is that its part of a much broader narrative - a stream of TV shows now being removed, the boarding up of war memorials. Those actions won't achieve anything other than more division. As much as education over the context of historic slavery is important, if we can't agree as a nation to be proud of and commemorate our role in fighting oppression and racial hatred, fascism in WW2 - we don't have a future. Its sacred.

An example of the difficulty of policing and the perpetuation of 'mistreatment' of black communities, below. I was dismayed by this. Its a brief video. The 'bandwagon' comment is clumsy, but the approach by both officers is calm and reasoned. They've responded to a call from a neighbor citing 'suspicious coming and going' from a house. The police then challenge this couple to show Id and proof of ownership of the vehicle, but the couple refuse and become argumentative, assuming that the challenge is racially driven. The police need to respond to all sorts of incidents and the best approach for any law abiding citizen is simply to comply. I've been stopped by the police twice in my lifetime. First when I was 18 and was driving my dads car, which was a BMW. I had no problem with it - 18 year old driving a very nice car, 20 odd years ago. Fair enough, I just showed my licence and followed up with details of my insurance, there wasn't an issue. The second time was last year. I'd picked my 14 year old daughter and her friend up from school after they'd returned from a school trip to France. It was 1am. A police car saw me, a man with 2 young girls in his car at 1am, and pulled me over. A quick discussion, no argument, all sorted. They even apologized, which worried me. I told them not to apologise and urged them to do the same in any similar circumstance.

Policing is a hugely difficult job, made impossible if people assume that the motive for stopping, intervening or responding to calls is based on race.

https://news.sky.com/story/ipswich-police-sorry-for-telling-black-woman-shes-jumping-on-bandwagon-of-black-lives-matters-12005101

 

What a pair of virtue signalling twats.

 

Who are the they who want to deface war memorials?

I don’t for a minute believe that this is, in any way, a commonly held view. Yet the lazy straw man argument prevails. Again, as I keep saying, there’s an important debate to be had here, but if you keep characterising the people you disagreee with by the most absurd viewpoint possible then obviously it’s going to delegitimise their platform.

Strikes me that, just like last week, those that are there to ‘defend’ statues believe they are working under the moral purity that the left wing also believe they possess, but ultimately just want a scrap. A lot of them will be gutted to go home empty handed.

 

No Tony, that's not quite accurate is it? The other day you said you hoped there would be trouble. I asked you to clarify that and you said I've given you my answer.

Are you a bit disappointed there wasn't a bit more fighting to watch?

 

To be fair - and I’m not denying the central thrust of the post, these have been fuelled entirely by a straw man media narrative - this incident just didn’t happen. There are pictures of what looks like somebody with a blade against someone’s throat, but turns out to be a misthrown punch. There’s footage of the guy getting up and walking away.

What I find concerning is that they’re STILL at it. The Mail on Sunday are launching a ‘Save Winston’ campaign, without including ANY accounts of anybody actually wanting it removed:



I guess it’s much easier to sell papers and get viewers when you’re constructing an opponent that doesn’t exist. For the rest of us, though, it’s nauseating.

 

I think shes got a point. These subtle injustices are everywhere. I'd personally like to see the games of snooker and pool banned too. The dominating ball is white. It's a constant on the table. And when does the game end? When it drives the black ball from the table. Clearly racial.


The worlds gone mad. The important debate cant be had because there are too many idiots clouding it with nonsense.

 

Skynews reporting the same. I'd say its clearly an antagonising move, fuelled by a media narrative that looks to divide people as much as possible.

What I would say though, is that 2 days ago 3 white men were stabbed to death by a man of colour. Now to my mind I'm happy to accept that it's a case of a lunatic acting out his twisted religious ideology, combined with probable mental health issues, and not anything to do with race. However, if the races involved had been reversed there'd be a very different narrative playing out in the media.

 

You post some right shite but this takes the biscuit.

 

I'm pretty certain, if someone actually felt that way, they have the ability to communicate that for themselves.

Even if they couldn't though, I'm not sure they'd be massively in favour you being the self appointed spokesperson.

 

Why just the black players? Any player out there taking the knee should support the action and that would make the gesture stronger.

 

"black lives matter first"
That part is very wrong. Very very wrong.

And with not being black and what its like i can kinda speak from personal experience.
you really don't know what its like to be a minority and i am jealous. My life is permanently shittier because of something i had no choice over. You've never had a random person tell you to get a wash at the age of ten while walking your dog just because of the colour of your skin. It sucks. We are the same. We bleed, we love, we cry. Yet we are treated differently.

 

I've seen on BBC news just now the reporter showing pictures of smashed policed cars and calling them unverified media clips. It's like they don't want to admit or report on what has just happened.

15 police officers injured and thousands of pounds worth of criminal damage washed over, whilst the banner on a plane is being milked for a third day.

 

I'm seeing more and more people citing the same. And a fair number of Black people supporting that view - quite rightly, as I think the whole movement will create nothing but more division and tension.

 

They’re swept up in the madness of it all. As I say, they have an impossible job, because it seems so well entrenched that any stop and search of a black person, must be racially motivated. It’s an easy card to play and the upper echelons of the police are cowing to it and not backing their officers at all. I wouldn’t be surprised if the Police started downing tools. Why would you do the job in these circumstances?