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Yes Corbyn always was until now, Of course he has not got the ability to stand up to his brexit minister Starmer who rules over him making all Labour policy on Brexit without fear of contradiction from a weak Corbyn, He has a weak personality and would be a disaster for the country if ever elected

 

Any subsequent vote/referendum must have a minimum % turnout then most of us could boycott them seeing as the last one has been ignored by those dozey tw4ts in parliament...

 

We can now only hope for a 'no deal' conclusion, for all bar3 of labour and SNP to vote against ( for totally different reasons from the Tory dissenters) shows that they are just against May's deal for their own reasons rather that the 17.4 million voters that had the wisdom to vote 'OUT' ....

 

This is exactly why I have never accepted that the referendum was a fair democratic vote.

The deck was massively stacked in favour of the Brexit side because the meaning of 'Leave' was never spelled out on the ballot paper. So everyone could vote for their own personal fantasy idea of Brexit, even though the realities of leaving were nothing like what was described before the vote. The leave vote comprises an amalgamation of all the different leave possibilities, even though many were mutually incompatible. If the real choices had been made clear there are many middle of the road swing voters who wouldn't have voted to leave.

Those arguing that the so called ''will of the people' is being subverted always assume that everyone else voted for their version of Brexit. They didn't.

 

If we stay in the customs union as Labour want then we must pay £billions each year for access to it and we cannot make deals with other countries only through the EU, We have to accept free movement of people to the UK and stay under the jurisdiction of the European court over our own, In fact it is staying in the EU but having no influence and say in how it is run,

 

A simple question if most of the younger generation are against brexit why did they not get out in numbers to the polling station on the day and vote the referedum down.
Because they couldnt be bothered, where as with us oldies its a natural thing we do because we realise just how important that one off vote ment.
I say one off because that whats we were told by David Cameron "a once in a lifetine vote" I'll have a £10 Burns Unit Bet with you that these conniving bastards vote through an amendment for another referendum, we are seeing true democracy in action with our MPs.

 

No i'm trying to follow your assumption that it was mainly elderly voters that want to , stereo typing yet again . The people voted to leave , if a 2nd referendum is called democracy in this country will be dead , the EU have held 47 referendums and won them all , not because they are great , but because they refuse to except them and want vote after vote till they get a result they want . The EU is an unelected corrupt cess pit that as opened doors across Europe to the rise of the far right , hopefully this bottomless money pit full of pond life will fold very soon .

 

He doesn't particularly like the EU but doesn't want a brexit dictated and led by far right nationalist lunatics, as is currently happening and would leave the country in a far worse place. Believe it or not most people who voted Leave weren't voting for a No Deal Brexit or for May's pathetic deal but their own imagined version of Brexit. Pursuing either of those options would be entirely undemocratic.
A people's vote on the exit terms is the most democratic possible outcome now, clue is in the name.

 

1. Jeremy Corbyn has always been against membership of the EU, and as far as I am aware never said he has changed his mind. Maybe the Labour Party is dictating what their policy is. You may not like your bedfellows, but you don’t suddenly ditch your principles. In fact he has always been driven by his principles. So unless you know him personally and he has told you that, I doubt whether it is true, it certainly never bothered him when standing in the voting lobbies with Tory right wing MP’s.

2. I am not sure that you know why ppl voted leave or remain, your view is anecdotal at best. I personally think ppl should stop trying to imagine why ppl voted the way they did. This is adding to the division and hostility that is ruining the ongoing debate.

3 I think you need to understand that ppl voted leave, they didn’t vote for a deal, all we can say is that 52% voted to leave; 48% of ppl voted to remain. That is it, everything else is pure speculation.

4. You may not like the UK’s version of democracy and I wouldn’t disagree that it has flaws, nevertheless you take part in the election knowing full well it operates first past the post system. We were told that we would only be voting once on this. I strongly disagree with a second vote for democratic reasons mainly. I have no idea what a People’s Vote is? Not to mention the two main parties went into a GE proclaiming they would uphold and deliver the referendum result.


My own view of what is happening in Westminster is one where I see attempts to stop us leaving and overrideing the referendum result. I understand your anger, but do not let it lead you down a undemocratic black hole.

 

Another bloody comedian, welcome....

 

Gove just made a fabulous attack on calamity Corbyn, catch it if you can, could be a bid to be PM ...

 

Good post mate you are quite right it will be the poorest in society that have to shoulder the brunt of brexit.
Unforunatly this is always the case, remember Camerons famous "were all in it together" crap, with regards Corbyn having to do it because of your reason yes he has to be seen as the working mans savior, but rightly as you say many many working people voted leave we knew there would be repercussions and many as myself thought it something worth having for a period.
I believe Theresa May will make the best out of Corbyns and the Labour parties stance especially if other parties or individuals from other parties take up her offer.
I'm in total agreement with your last comment:

I could see a 'soft' Brexit getting through parliament but it will probably destroy the Tories and rip apart Labour's support base.

I could never envisage places like South Yorkshire being anything but Labour but if this deal is seen to be scuppered by Corbyn and the Labouf party he will pay in the long run, and boy do we need analternative to this shower who are presently in power.

 

They won’t give us a deal that doesn’t involve vast amounts of money coming from us plus all kinds of other restraints. I am not sure it is worth tbh, and could keep us in the EU, but without the benefits. We basically want a trading deal, which is what we voted for originally. The two stances are incompatible so I came to the conclusion that it was either all in, or all out. I don’t think there is a middle road, and if we try and push one through we will be the losers. I am not certain about anything anymore old political allegiances have been broken. I have voted Labour all my life, but don’t agree on their Brexit stance such as it is, I am extremely concerned about Corbyn who appears to have ditched his principles. His statement this morning, he won’t participate in discussions with May unless no deal is off the table!!


If we had a GE tomorrow I don’t know who I would vote for, I might even have to abstain never done that in my life either.

The whole Brexit process has been very badly handled.

 

Commie Corbyn thinks he's bloody Arthur Scargill, he'll end up dumped by his masters, unfortunately only to be replaced by another from their momentum stable, no moderate labour MP will ever again get to be their leader...
Maybe Mrs May should wear a balaclava then the fool might be willing to meet her...

Sorry No10 - Mr Corbyn's got too many important meetings to talk about Brexit.'

 

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Agree, it was done differently last time. I am not in favour of referendums as they don’t deal with the what ifs scenarios. Nevertheless we were told that only one vote that the government would act on the result. We cannot stay in a customs union, or the single market, or accept jurisdiction of the EU law, that was made absolutely clear in the leaflet every household received. I voted to remain because I looked ahead and I knew our country would be split down the middle. However, democracy means more to me, without it and we are in danger of losing it if we don’t adhere to leaving as the ppl decided.

There is a growing clamour for a 2nd referendum; my questions are these.

1. How would we know that a second ref would settle the argument either way?
2. Who would decide which referendum was valid?
3. Democracy, if you explain to ppl that this was the only vote and no repeat, how on earth can you go back to the country and say, and again? Will this set a precedence?
4. The longer this goes on the more this country will suffer the divisions and split the country into fractions.

 

We should let the remoaners win a second referendum and them smash 'em in the decider...(best of 3)...on away goals if necessary...

 

As I have already said the demographics of the referendum vote are a side show. It is wheeled out as a negative. I have watched groups of young ppl who voted to remain as a justification for having a second referendum; ie lots of the old demographic will have died off, and if we give the vote to 16 year olds this will swing the vote into the remain camp. Justification for being discriminatory? ‘We the young have to live with the outcomes’

Well now we all have to live with the outcomes of previous generations, welcome to real world. Part of being an adult is dealing with reality rather than whinging about older ppl being responsible for Brexit. It was them same older ppl who voted to keep us in the EU in the first place, but not this incarnation that we have now.

What will be will be, but what I do know being a 69 year old white woman who funnily enough still have all my faculties is this; the debate about whether we are in or out needs to end. We have become a fragmented society with no tolerance for another’s view point. We need to come together as a nation and start to repair ourselves. Build on our sense of identity, and common purpose. The EU cannot help even if they wanted to, this has to be done by each individual within our nation.

 

Clity you come across as everything that I hate about what the internet has spawned. Trevor has debated a point with you, nothing out of line and you can't wait to scream that he's being abusive.

Laughable reading that back.

 

Why do you assume it will be disastrous and that we will be fecked? Many countries seem to be doing just fine without being shackled to the EU protectionist state.