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Please, stay away from facts when debating with the left.

 

Just what does Chuka Umuna add to any debate the man is whoring himself out to any party that might listen, typical career politician
I can see why people are aghast at the thought of Boris being PM but come on Corbyn and the Labour party change there minds as they go along.
Never mind Corbyn as PM but to have Dianne Abbott as Home Secretary that has to be a piss take.
And the new leader of the LibDems openly says her intention is to stop Brexit, not a negotiated exit but to openly defy a democratic vote, even though they stood
on an anti Brexit campian.

 

May was a disaster and her government of incompetents, The EU revealing she accepted the leaving plan they drew up virtually without challenge and at one point begged them to help her, Boris is a different character altogether and is well known in the EU for his straight talking and bluster, It is noticeable that when asked about the leaving agreement under Boris the normal reply is it can not be reopened or altered in anyway, This has changed to the answer now that some wriggle room is available, That is even before Boris has started

 

If nothing else with Boris as PM "Prime Ministers Question Time" will be lively.

 

Its only a failure if you lose. Had they have listened none of this would have happened, Farage would be a distant memory and people like Steve Bray would not be getting the attention they so badly crave. I did vote leave but wasn't bothered either way. Again, lets not blame voters for ticking a box on a ballot paper. Had they have done their job properly in the first place that box would never have been there to tick.

 

Well bloody said mate!

I have wondered the same thing.

Even now, why do remain voters never just ask leavers WHY they voted as they did?

If they knew the answers they could then factor that in to discussions in general. Instead they assume all leave votes are stupid, racist, jingoistic, nationalists who play the National Anthem every morning.

 

The politicians who ask for another vote on brexit would be aghast if the people who came second when they were elected were to demand another vote as confirmation of their choice.

The remain politicians have done immense damage to the UK economy and continue to do so fighting the will of the people, They claim it was a small majority so does not count as much but have never heard of any MP who won by the smallest margin ever suggesting they had not won and offering a re-run

 

Its a no win @Hulmebantam as the £ is very low it has a good effect on our exports, yet costs our importers with regards exchange rate, if the £ was high then our exports cost more and imports cost less, the price of oil is in $ so a better valued £ would make oil cheaper and vise versa as you know.
Winners and losers but overall which is best for the country/economy, the press go on about holiday makers getting a poor deal with the Euro if holidaying in an EU country but that is a once in a year occasion for most families not a weekly/monthly thing.
With regards tariffs without doubt it's not a good thing but I would expect we would do exactly the same with produce/products imported from EU countries be it wine from France or cars from Germany, I believe someone posted we are the largest importers of German cars Merc's, Audi's, VW's, BMW's so Germany will defiantly take a hit, and IMO now the EU know we are serious with regards leaving with no deal they will get pressure applied by big business in Germany who are without doubt the country that not only will have to pay more of the EU budget to cover the UK's contribution when we leave but will take the biggest hit because they are possible the UK biggest importers.

 

I appreciate that companies hedge currency risk.

I'd argue that is goes deeper than being determined by speculators and the banks. As we learned to our cost when shadowing the ERM, and why sensibly we never joined the euro. The speculators base it on the fundamentals of the economy.

At the moment, we are facing a shock, in terms of the outcome of Brexit. That is priced in, but to an unknown extent. Long-term there may well be economic benefits to Brexit. There will be quite a lag on this, even Jacob Rees-Mogg was talking about years for this.

However, from 1st November we know there will be issues. The Government is already starting to set aside money for this, but how much will be necessary? What will be the mechanism for funding? Perhaps an increase in Government borrowing which could force up interest rates, but that is not what the consumer or business investor needs right now. In the short-term at least, it appears a significant pressure on costs for businesses. As a net importer, further falls in the exchange rate will put further strain on the productive economy.

I can’t see, at the moment, was is intrinsic to the British economy that will drive demand for the pound.

Boris Johnson has been talking about significant expenditure in areas we know that it is needed: education, policing and social care. However, this costs, and so unless it is smoke and mirrors will potentially be at a time of falling tax receipts.

Leaving the EU is a systemic change to the British economy, potentially as big as OPEC in the 70s. Depending on your point in history, I’d argue it Is more the case that the pound has weakened against both the dollar and the euro as a long-term trend. It is going to take huge structural change in the UK economy to reverse that. In the meantime, many people will be poorer, at least in the short-term.

I think @Bronco is right about the pressure from the German economy to avoid No Deal but I don’t think that will shift the prevailing view of the EU enough. We are in for a rocky ride over the next few months.

 

I would add the complacency and idiocy of David Davis to this.

The negotiations should always have been about the best for both the UK and the EU, rather than the view that we had to stuff them. That might play nicely to the gallery, but wasn't the approach needed.

 

You crack me up sometimes Trev, although usually its not intentional. You’ll have to invite me to Planet Trevor one day it sounds like a really ‘interesting’ place.

 

I can agree to some extent, But the patronising way some remainers speak on TV, take QT for example, is terrible. Throwing accusations of racism at people is borderline libellous and far worse than anything leavers have called remainers.

 

I think you need help my friend.

What you are quoting is just not on the same scale. There are more Islamic terror related deaths PER DAY than everything you are talking about combined. They're on completely different scales.

And we are not talking just the last year or two. Go back two decades and it is the same story. The numbers do not lie and the facts are everywhere.

It is massively offensive that you are trying to compare and contrast these two things. No violence is acceptable, and all reasonable people agree with that, but do not try and minimize the sheer terror that Islamic ideology has inflicted on HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS of people worldwide and will, in all likelihood continue to inflict on the world for decades to come.

 

Yes, but you seem to have a skewed view of what is happening. We are clearly NOT under greater threat from right wing extremism. It is nonsense to say that @YungNath

And if you look at the stats globally there is NOT as much 'nasty shit' going on in the name of God. Again, that is completely nonsense. Where are you getting these crazy statistics from? They're not just slightly inaccurate they're a million miles off the mark and are completely untrue. Whatever sites you are getting this nonsense from you need to stop visiting them as they're filling you full of BS.

I think you must be equating the stupid wars in the Middle East (Iraq, Syria, etc) as wars in the name of 'God'. They're not. Any fighting the West have done their has NOT been in the name of 'God'. It is not some kind of Christian jihad. Alas, it seems some people, with ulterior motives, like to twist these figures and create statistics based on this.

The reality is that for decades you have been able to count the number of wars fought in the name of Christianity on one hand, whereas the wars fought in the name of Islam and to further the spread of Islam, is in high double digits.

As you say, all violence is bad, but don't believe the PR that Islam is a peaceful religion. It isn't. Here's a great video to watch that explains the numbers:



That video is produced by a very clever Muslim woman who is (understandably) concerned as to how blind some people are to the truth about radical Islam. Amazingly, and worryingly, Youtube puts a warning up saying "The following content has been identified by the YouTube community as inappropriate or offensive to some audiences". How bad is it when an educated Muslim women can't even talk about her religion without having a warning put up. Scary!

Watch it @YungNath

 

Absolutely mate. Some of the worst horrors in the world have been committed in the name of religion.

 

Well that is a typical question from a remainer, if ever the country was a laughing stock it was under Prime Minister Theresa Mays pathetic attempt to get a deal, not mentioned her "no deal" card once to Barnier &Co, after the second time of going back and groveling for a better deal because MPs wouldn't accept her deal she should have told the EU negotiators if her deal was voted down again (which was always going to be the case) that would suggest to most it was a bad deal and she would implement no deal.
I'm far from ashamed or embarrassed, that should be left for the remainers who believe we should have another vote, now that is embarrassing, the mother of Parliament having to go back to the country try and get a deal they accept.

We put a tick in the box that said Leave the European Union, Cameron had said stood on the steps of Downing Street and said leave would mean to leave the European Union the Single Market and the Customs Union

Said at the dispatch box https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/02/david-camerons-full-statement-on-the-eu-deal/
Final decision, an idea has been put forward that if the country votes to leave we could have a second negotiation and perhaps another referendum, such an approach also ignores profound points about democracy, diplomacy and legality. Shame on you remainers.


As you can see from the actual voting paper there were only the two choices remain or Leave, and if the Tory government had really taken the vote seriously they would have had contingency plans ongoing, but as they though the great unwashed would never dare vote to leave they hadn't bothered, Cameron actually said if the vote went to leave he would continue to be the Prime Minister and take us out of the EU, Single Market & Customs Union, then the very next day resigned, maybe your asking the wrong people if they are ashamed.

 

Boris exercisimg the royal perogitive is a great move and 100% lawful so any challenge in the courts will fail. But it did not go far enough in my view. No he should also have incarcerated the Rabble of Remainers trying to deny the democratic vote of the people including that blithering idiot Leftie journo Paul Mason who was on Newsnight openly calling for civil unrest ?

We need to get on with Brexit Deal or No Deal and Boris has made a lot of progress to show he wants a deal but to get a good deal we are prepared for no deal and lets make the very best of the great opportunities awaiting a truly independant and Sovereign Britain.

 

Or he is someone who is trying to do what he said he would do, something politicians don't do very often.