Boris and Trump

Boris mauling Corbyn over his secret payments from press TV was gold.

Corbyn was wriggling and squirming.

 

If nothing else with Boris as PM "Prime Ministers Question Time" will be lively.

 

It doesn't matter what Boris does, the left want him to fail and will put any negative spin on the good he does. They would much rather the country fails so they can continue their loathing and finger point.

Same in America. Trump says and does some daft things but the facts are ignored. Booming economy, record unemployment, record black people in work, excellent renegotiated trade deals etc.

 

I get the sense that the possibility of renegotiating the withdrawal agreement has been shut down today. The EU are not going to bend over the backstop, so I think everything points to no deal, if that can be got through somehow.

You can tell that Boris's team are very well organised and have sensibly, and rightly, started to move debate into areas such as law and order, social care and education. Already that is a step change from the previous PM.

The thing that Boris knows, and despite all the confidence, is that we are not ready for no deal and won't be in 98 days. There will be medicine and food shortages. IMO that's why, broadly, he hasn't appointed any of the Brexit nutters in his Government but has made sure he has Brexiteers across the piece. He will need to make some form of compromise to make 'no deal' viable. A compromise that gets the support cross-party.

How he squares that with retaining the Union is not obvious.

 

Good post, However I feel a deal will be done in some way, I notice one of the Irish ministers has mentioned a time limit on the backstop, The Irish Republic are desperate for support as they fear a no deal the most but also have the most to gain from a deal, The EU leaders and main members like Germany are supportive in public but behind the scenes there is many a slip between cup and lip where politics are involved, One thing for sure if anyone can carry it off it is Boris

 

The civil service always gets nervous when a politician tries to run the country they have run and controlled for over 100 years, Ministers are usually soon trained and brought in to the fold to allow the civil service mandarins to run things, Interesting that one famous minister said of his time in office that the civil service handed him the levers of power to operate but then disconnected them at the other end, You can always tell a good prime / ministers because the civil service complain and brief against them, The weak ones are no threat so they are usually praised

 

Boris's problem is the 16.1m, not the 17.4m.

He needs an outcome that not only registers with Brexit supporters as meeting the will of the people, but also will have resonance with remainers going forwards. Otherwise he could well suffer the fate of Winston Churchill after the war.

He has ditched Tory remainers and moderates for now, but if he is to win an election outright then they will need to be back in the fold at some point. That's my main hope for us getting a deal and preventing even more distraction after we leave. There isn't the bandwidth in government and the civil service to sustain both managing the impact of no deal and to get on with addressing domestic issues.

 

Can you send a link to these things you have paraphrased as I seem to have missed all of this?

I can't help but think you are doing the classic thing of 'paraphrasing' (aka Chinese whispering) something that was already fake news that you read in The Guardian or Independent or you heard some out of context soundbites on the BBC.

But I will keep an open mind and check out any links you can find.

 

We are where we are, and I don't think its a suprise to anyone that the threat of a no deal and walking away was never mentioned during Mays negotiations.
As a remainer most knew she was trying to appease the Tory party as a whole and that was never going to happen, having the ERG who wanted out at any cost on the one side and the likes od Sudbury, Letwin, and Kenneth Clarke digging their heals in to stay in.
He certainly has a fight on his hands, as the last no deal that the MPs voted on has now lapsed, is it just a matter of putting it forward again and voting on ?, which is obviously the remainers ace card and will continue to frustrate any deal Boris puts forward.
As Boris says unless the Tories deliver brexit they would have little credability in a General Election, having said that Labour or more to the point Corbyn would have even less, looks like Boris and his team are digging stuff up fron Corbyns past, they should have a field day with that.

 

They have to time it right, If they bring the motion back and lose it then the ruling is it cannot be brought back again in this parliament, So lose it and they are goosed and unable to stop our exit with or without a deal, Boris now with the Parliament on holiday until September has one ace up his sleeve, If you call an election then parliament is suspended for 6 weeks so if the leave date is within this period it will go through automatically

 

• [QUOTE="trevor, post: 238887, member: 104"]They have to time it right, If they bring the motion back and lose it then the ruling is it cannot be brought back again in this parliament, So lose it and they are goosed and unable to stop our exit with or without a deal, Boris now with the Parliament on holiday until September has one ace up his sleeve, If you call an election then parliament is suspended for 6 weeks so if the leave date is within this period it will go through automatically[/QUOTE]

That would be some call by Boris, although as you say Parliament and most MPs are on their jollies I bet the likes of Boris and the ERG are beavering away during those 6 weeks weighing up that very possibility of calling for a General Election

 

Boris is (thankfully) leaving the bedwetting remainers and moderates in his wake, it's up to them to get real and follow the master....

 

The Master.

 

Boris + Trump, The dream team bringing sense to the world,

 

Comments like this are mind bogglingly daft. What do you think the remain lot will do once brexit is done, just disappear in a puff of smoke forever? Whether you like it or not, those people live in this country too, are british citizens like you and are just as entitled to a brexit that works for them as much as the Leavers. You didn't win a landslide majority, it was a bloody close result and maybe if Leavers had spent the past 3 years trying to reconcile both sides instead of referring to people who disagreed as bedwetting remainers and generally being awful winners, the country might not be the divided joke it is at the moment. And before you say well what about remainers attacking you, they lost so the onus isn't on them to do anything. Your lot won so you own it!

 

Politics on both sides is so partisan now that its wrong to level that at the left and not the right. Neither side would let the other do anything good without spinning it to their advantage. It seems you guys on the right forget that us lefties love the country just as much as you do, we just have different ideas on how to go about things.

 

When you say left is that Jeremy Corbyn left serious question ?.

 

You must be in the tiny minority of Lefties who love their country. Every true Leftie remainer I have come across socially or at work, does nothing but knock everything Britain stands for and would prefer to be known as a European.

 

Theres a far better way of describing exactly what really happened. There wasn't a politician in Parliament who ever thought that the voting public of this country would ever vote in numbers big enough to win a vote on our future in the EU. So Cameron brazenly put it to the vote. Big mistake for Parliament and anyone with a view to staying. Even up to just before the vote they still thought the vote would go their way, they naively ignored the growing disenchantment towards the EU to a point where their head in the sand attitude lost them the vote.
Now, from my own viewpoint of assessing the situation, instead of constantly berating 17.4 million voters and blaming every man and his voting dog for this brexit shambles, the people in charge of the remain campaign need to be asked serious questions about how and why their campaign was such an abject failure, and why 17.4 million voters chose to vote against their wishes.
Maybe, just maybe, if they had asked these questions within good time in the brexit vote build up they might never have put themselves and the country in the position it is in. Because lets not pussy foot about here, its those very politicians that have caused this mess, nobody else.
But i guess its easier to pour blame and scorn on Joe public who ticked a box on a ballot paper. Classic politics eh, never take the can for anything.