Boris and Trump

Well he isn't a right winger is he? Serious but loaded question as now you'll probably slate me but I do believe he loves this country, the same as your Rees Moggs and Dominic Raabs. I disagree with him on many things and he does have a chequered history but in my mind no worse than those around him. They've all got pretty bad skeletons in the closet at this stage and if his past was that bad, they wouldn't realistically let him become an MP. For example, what's the difference between Corbyn and former Labour spin doctor Alastair Campbell? Corbyn's never been a member of the communist party whereas Campbell has.

The point being this whole thing of slating people you disagree with as unpatriotic etc etc only damages the quality of public discourse to the point where people like Trump can tell US born citizens to go home and subsequently go up in the polls. It's the death of nuance in any kind of public debate and that should sadden us all imo.

 

Who made you the judge of what constitutes truly left wing? Its like me saying every 'true' right winger I've met has basically been a fascist racist bastard when the reality just isn't like that. This is exactly my point.

 

I disagree. The left are the biggest self loathers going.

Royals, army, foreign policy, our history... The hard left despise everything British.

 

That totally ignores the near constant barrage of shit anyone who voted remain gets off the leave camp for hating the country, bugger off to europe if you don't like it etc so I think we can both comfortably agree it's a failure of the political class to treat the electorate like adults. I didn't vote remain just to adda bit of clarity.

 

With respect, the right have a completely rose tinted and false view of our history. We did a lot of good but just as much bad in the world and to pretend otherwise is ignorant of the facts. Same with foreign policy, as much as those on the right would like to have us believe we just run around shooting democracy out the end of our guns at people. As for the military, I support brave people willing to defend our country but what I don't support is those same people being sent to die for causes that aren't just and true. Many left wing folk will say the exact the same but again it gets conflated with some weird I hate the army view when a lot of us really don't.

Also, why do you conflate the left with hard left given I haven't done that with the right? They aren't interchangeable terms you know.

 

You know what..? it might come as a surprise to you but I no longer give a flying f*** what you and your socialist, communist, marxists mates think..!!
When me ,Boris and my mate Nige take over we will be shipping all you lot plus the extinction rebellion anarchists off to enjoy the delights of China, North Korea and Venezuala etc....
Bring it on............ooooh, that felt good...........

 

Its only a failure if you lose. Had they have listened none of this would have happened, Farage would be a distant memory and people like Steve Bray would not be getting the attention they so badly crave. I did vote leave but wasn't bothered either way. Again, lets not blame voters for ticking a box on a ballot paper. Had they have done their job properly in the first place that box would never have been there to tick.

 

Not sure if this is tongue in cheek or not, but it is a pretty grim comment either way.

 

I mean it didn't surprise me because that was literally the point I was trying to make, thanks for proving me right mate!

Have fun with your 'mates' who don't have the slightest clue who you even are lol

 

If the electorate had been treat like adults from the start none of this would have happened as you say. As tony's just proved above so well, if you treat people like children long enough eventually they'll act like children. I spoiled my ballot as I thought the politicians on both sides didn't give the people enough honest information to make an informed choice.

 

The information was there if you looked, cost us taxpayers around £9,000,000 if I remember....

 

Yeah and it was still inaccurate you fecking doughnut. Both sides lied through their teeth to the point I didn't trust anything any side said and therefore didn't feel I had the right information to make a choice. If you think Bozza and his mates are fountains of truth you're a minority view. The British people were given a choice between Project Fear or Project Bullshit, which is no way to decide the most important and complex constitutional issue in our lifetime.

 

There is something in this. Trust in politicians has hit an all time low, the conservatives have seen us through a disastrous brexit so far yet what is the alternative? Corbyn and his wonderful world that doesn't exist? Give me a break. The bloke has made the easiest victory arguably in the history of politics pretty much unattainable. He's right that the country is more divided than ever, unfortunately he's part of the reason it is.

 

And reckoning to know all that at the time you went and spoilt your ballot paper, whose the 'doughnut' now...?

 

Well bloody said mate!

I have wondered the same thing.

Even now, why do remain voters never just ask leavers WHY they voted as they did?

If they knew the answers they could then factor that in to discussions in general. Instead they assume all leave votes are stupid, racist, jingoistic, nationalists who play the National Anthem every morning.

 

I knew enough to know I couldn't make a proper choice so I would say still you mate

 

I'm not a Corbyn supporter either just to add some more clarity. I think we need policies in that sort of direction (nationalising the rail and utilities etc as all we're doing now is subsidising cheap public transport and utilies abroad) but it needs a figure less divisive than Corbyn to actually get those policies across to the people properly. When the electorate are polled on what policies labour offers without being told they're labour policies, they're very popular indeed. Which tells me its a branding/personnel issue on the left so to speak.

 

pot kettle assumptions. We as a country need to have a long look at ourselves about how the entire debate has been handled. Polarised, partisan and childish and frankly it's been embarrassing to call myself British in the face of it all.

 

The politicians who ask for another vote on brexit would be aghast if the people who came second when they were elected were to demand another vote as confirmation of their choice.

The remain politicians have done immense damage to the UK economy and continue to do so fighting the will of the people, They claim it was a small majority so does not count as much but have never heard of any MP who won by the smallest margin ever suggesting they had not won and offering a re-run

 

Tony Blair is derided by the Left and Corbyn lovers but the fact is he did more for the poor and working classes than any left wing politician has ever done,
The Trade unions hate him because when he brought in the minimum wage it gave trade unionist workers the biggest increase in wages that the trade unions would have taken years to achieve, Unionism is about protectionism of its own existence and when workers realised they would get better increases from the government than the union then they left in droves.