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Boris and Trump

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by Park bantam, Jul 23, 2019.

  1. Clity

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    Still holding on to that argument?

    I never once spoke of a second referendum i asked if people were still happy with their decision. Under any other time pre brexit if the government acted the way it is now then there would have been hell to pay. Yet Brexit, an untested ideal is so precious that people throw their values out of the door. Its desperate and deep down i think you know it.
     
  2. WilsdenBantam

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    Nothing precious about it, we both know exactly what you were doing.

    The only way everyone will ever agree on democracy is if they take it off of us.
     
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  3. Bronco

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    Stop being so sensitive I never said you it was a general comment, just the same as you asking any leave voters if they are ashamed.
    Yes the UK will be the first (possibly of many) to leave so we will be the UK that's set's the precedence, I don't understand your first comment, I think they are all facts not just my opinion, Theresa May was weak in negotiations and never backed it up with her threat of "no deal" Christ she said it enough times in Parliament, she also said 100+ times she said the UK would exit on March 29th 2019.
    The Cameron quote was fact he banned it about often enough in his fear factor comments if we dare to vote leave, so I'm not sure what you mean by that comment ?.
     
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  4. trevor

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    Democracy is been failed by the MPs not by anyone else, They asked the public to decide and because they do not like the answer they are refusing to implement it with all sorts of reasons given including that the public did not vote for this deal or that deal, We were given a straight choice of leave or remain, The Government have every right to try implement leaving with a deal that favours the UK but if that is not possible then they should implement the result of the referendum and leave on no deal terms, THAT IS WHAT THE VOTE DECIDED.
     
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    All the disgrace is on the remain side as they try to undo the democratic choice of the free vote and decision made, The ones who are undemocratic are those hundreds of MPs who stood in the last general election on a manifesto to leave by both Labour and Conservative and who were happy to be elected on that basis only to then vote against it like the lying cheats they are claiming any reason they can think of not to honour the vote the people gave them, They are the real anti-democrats who are making us a laughing stock,
    Is it really acceptable to be elected promising to honour the leave vote and then when elected break that promise and vote against it?
     
  6. Yorkieman

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    Why would you be ashamed?

    Were you ashamed to vote for continued freedom of movement that has driven down wages for the low paid and made big businesses huge profits for their shareholders and directors?

    Were you ashamed to support a protectionist trading block that largely prevents Africa from trading with it and so keeping hundreds of millions of Africans in poverty?

    Were you ashamed to want to continue stealing trained nurses from countries who have paid to train them (and other skilled workers) rather than invest in training British people (of all ethnicities)?

    I think if anyone should be ashamed it is you? ;)
     
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  7. Clity

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    Wtf where has this come from? do you feel emboldened by your new Fuhrer suspending democracy today?

    If anyone is to be ashamed it is you and you damn right should be. You seem not to be concerned by the fact that the PM has bypassed the constitution in an attempt to get through his aims. Now you may agree with nodeal and thats fine but suspending parliament is an afront to democracy. If he can bypass our one sovereign protection from tyranny as citizens, which is parliament, over something he sees is right today. Then what is stopping him bypassing parliament when it comes to anything else.

    Maybe Boris isnt the big bad bogey man but in 10 years who knows who will get power. It could be less than that, you might have jeremy corbyn take power. What if he shuts down parliament in order to pass martial law for him to impose his own polit bureau? what then?

    Supporting this act today is an act of treachery, it sets a precedent and is therefore an afront to the very thing that you say brexit is for in the first place. Democracy is a fragile system so well done and FU.

    P.S the hypocrisy from your side claiming remainers asking for a second vote as being undemocratic, a vote which involves participation. Only to go and let a PM voted in by less than 0.1% of the electorate is astonishing. History wont forget your foolishness.
     
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  8. BSABantam74

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    Boris exercisimg the royal perogitive is a great move and 100% lawful so any challenge in the courts will fail. But it did not go far enough in my view. No he should also have incarcerated the Rabble of Remainers trying to deny the democratic vote of the people including that blithering idiot Leftie journo Paul Mason who was on Newsnight openly calling for civil unrest ?

    We need to get on with Brexit Deal or No Deal and Boris has made a lot of progress to show he wants a deal but to get a good deal we are prepared for no deal and lets make the very best of the great opportunities awaiting a truly independant and Sovereign Britain.
     
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  9. Tony Wilkinson

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    Wouldn't worry about Corbyn, sure if he got in that the security services would arrange for him to take a ride through a Parisian underpass or similar..
     
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  10. Bronco

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    You are correct a top retired judge on Newsnight saying exactly that.
    He commented it was unusual in the manner it was being used but quite lawfull and had been done as recently as John Majors days as PM.
     
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  11. Clity

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    48% of the population are remainers you think we will just go quietly? are you that naive?
     
  12. Bronco

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    We had a vote remainers sat there doing everything they could to undermine a democratic vote.

    And thats fine...

    When Boris takes legal steps to enact the result of the original democratic vote all of a sudden shock horror and outrage.
     
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    What has this country ever voted for a PM? See I always thought you voted for a party......
     
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  14. Tony Wilkinson

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    We forgive them (not) as they didn't know what they were voting for......
     
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  15. Yorkieman

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    I am pro democracy through and through so any attempt to be undemocratic from anyone - left, right or center - is, IMHO, not just wrong but outrageous.

    You're assuming I voted, or would vote for Boris.

    I don't think any of our current band of politicians REALLY represents the people of the country, which is why we've ended up in mess from day 1.
     
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    Johnson is trying to emulate Trump. Two fools believing that they are in charge of enough fools who will buy in to their rhetoric.
     
  17. BradfordBanter

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    Or he is someone who is trying to do what he said he would do, something politicians don't do very often.
     
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  18. Bronco

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    I think the leave voters bought into Cameron's rhetoric, you know when he said he would honour the outcome of the referendum and take us out of the EU, single market and customs union, then reailised what he'd promised he could not deliver and promptly resigned the following day ?.
    The remainer's have done everything in their power to overturn the democratic vote and I'm sure they will do all in their power to overturn the suspension of Parliament, you have to laugh when you hear Philip Hammond brand Mr Johnson’s suspension of Parliament “profoundly undemocratic”.
    The remainer's really have shot themselves in the foot, they should have voted for May's deal, job done tied to the EU for as long as the EU felt fit without the UK having any say in it.
     
  19. Tony Wilkinson

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    Again, you've got it spot on, we should be thankful now that remainers from all parties voted down any of May's deals or we, as you say, would be locked in to something no better than brexit in name only...
     
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  20. Bronco

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    Which is a two fingered gesture to those who voted the leaver, we now know that the majority of MPs in Parliament weren't happy with any sort of deal they just were quite happy to stay FULL MEMBERS of the EU and all that entails with regards full membership.
     

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