Don't be so pathetic.
Where have I said I 'sympathise' with Nazis? Anyone with any knowledge of my posts on this forum and on C&B before it, will know that nothing could be further than the truth. I've consistently posted against far right and Nazi views and actions over the years, including pointing out the overlap of views between the far right of the Tory Party and various neo-Nazi groups in Britain.
There are neo-Nazis in every country in Europe, including Russia and Britain. Large parts of eastern Europe have intolerant right wing views that verge on the neo-Nazi - hence the popularity of Orban in Hungary - but we don't invade them to purge these elements, do we?
The size of the Azov Battalion is quoted as 900 men on Al-Jazeera; other sites say 1000; some say 1500. Even if the larger figure is correct it's still tiny in comparison to the Ukranian population and to the size of its armed forces.
Yes, it's extremely regrettable and distasteful that one battalion of the Ukrainian army has Nazi motivation. But not as distasteful as using that tiny unrepresentative sample as an excuse to invade a sovereign country, flatten its towns & cities, slaughter it's civilian population by the thousands and force millions to flee as refugees. Try to get some perspective.
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Offcomedun Important PlayerQatar 2022 Entrant P.L.22/23 Entrant P.L.23/24 Entrant Supporter Euro2020 Winner Euro 2020 P.L. 20/21 3rd Place
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Show me a country without a far/nazi/extremist problem.
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Just because some resident - rightly - take up arms against their invaders does not make every citizen a legitimate target.Tolly856, Jayteebee, Idlebantam and 3 others like this. -
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The least one can expect is some neutrality when you invade another country.
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The Americans always need an enemy and will never accept Russia, It fuels the economy and allows politicians to spend huge amounts on defence,
Putin is right when he claims that NATO has increased its presence in Europe, As he said "While NATO has come to the Russian border we have not come to there's,bantamdave41, Skyebantam, WilsdenBantam and 2 others like this. -
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60571737
So we can be told what is being shown on Russian news but we can't actually see it for ourselves - isn't that literally what Russian media do to their population?bantamlad92, WilsdenBantam, bantamdave41 and 2 others like this. -
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We seem to be wandering off topic.
There is a thread for discussing 'taking the knee': https://bantamtalk.com/index.php?threads/players-taking-the-knee.5391/
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Offcomedun Important PlayerQatar 2022 Entrant P.L.22/23 Entrant P.L.23/24 Entrant Supporter Euro2020 Winner Euro 2020 P.L. 20/21 3rd Place
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Frank Castle CaptainModerator P.L. 20/21 Entrant Supporter
War has no rules.
'War Crimes' have been committed by both sides in every war that has taken place. I have no doubt that some of the images and videos we've seen over the last couple of days are genuine, but I also believe the media will always manipulate.bantamlad92, trevor, Bronco and 2 others like this. -
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Offcomedun Important PlayerQatar 2022 Entrant P.L.22/23 Entrant P.L.23/24 Entrant Supporter Euro2020 Winner Euro 2020 P.L. 20/21 3rd Place
It's not 'racist' against Russians to oppose Putin's actions any more than opposing Hitler's Germany was racist against Germans.
Yes, it's unfortunate that individual Russian sportspeople are caught in the recriminations from this conflict. But Russia has for decades systematically used its sports stars to bolster its international reputation and prestige, even going as far as state financed drug programmes to enhance performance and gain more medals. Refusing to allow Russian tennis players to play at Wimbledon is part of a broad strategy to isolate Russia from all cultural and sporting activities. It's not racist or discriminatory against those individuals - it's a targeted strategy to make Russia feel the consequences of its illegal and unwarranted actions in Ukraine.River_City_Bantam, Idlebantam, WilsdenBantam and 2 others like this. -
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Zelensky's (perfectly understandable) attempts to join NATO may have hastened the Russian invasion but it would have happened anyway, sooner or later. Once his stooge was booted out Putin was never going to take that lying down.
Putin thought his forces could swiftly overrun Kiev and install a new puppet regime. His mistake was to let the Chinese talk him out of invading several weeks earlier, which would have distracted from the Olympics. That meant his forces were caught in the early Spring thaw and got bogged down in mud, just like Napoleon and Hitler's troops before him. For someone who is so fixated on Russia's history, he made a very stupid error there.Jayteebee, Hugh Jarse, Bronco and 2 others like this. -
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You talk about NATO 'surrounding' Russia. But why did that happen? It happened because the ex-Soviet bloc countries sought membership of NATO to protect themselves from Russia, because they knew that Putin has never accepted their right to be independent sovereign nations. Russia's illegal annexation of Crimea and fermentation of unrest in Donbas confirmed the worst fears of neighbouring countries. Who can blame them for wanting NATO's protection?River_City_Bantam, Aaron Baker, Bronco and 2 others like this. -
I'm aware that Ukraine has attacked Russian troops on its own territory who have illegally invaded their country just as any country would. Certainly and there is no secret in this, Ukraine has attacked the invaders who are within Ukraine's borders with weapons supplied by NATO members. What's wrong with that? If Russia were to stop the invasion and return its troops to their own country then the crisis created by Russia would go away.Hugh Jarse, Offcomedun, Aaron Baker and 2 others like this.
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