World war 3....

I honestly don't know tbh mate.
Is it pandering to Putin by toning down the language?
Is it a government instruction?
Who knows?

 

I noticed this on Sky News. It’s now ‘Ukraine live’ or ‘Ukraine news’ as opposed to ‘war in/on Ukraine’.

Finally a glimour of more normal reporting.

 

Absolutely. It’s a 2-sided battle, so there needs to be some neutrality in the reporting.

 

The least one can expect is some neutrality when you invade another country.

 

The pot calling the kettle black mate

 

FWIW, i don’t have a problem with mainstream media, though I know that makes me very uncool.

yes, western countries have done wrong in the past, they’ve made a rod for their own backs i get all that. Maybe we should have just left Ukraine to it? And remain completely impartial. But putting governments and media aside, I guess all you’ve left is what you think is the right thing to do?

 

Russia invaded Ukraine, thus declaring war, not sure why you constantly struggle to believe that fact

 

Russia is the aggressor and the war was instigated by them, But how long would you put up with weapons supplied by other nations before you decided enough was enough and retaliated against them, NATO is not a get out of jail free card and Russia is not afraid of them as in truth it consists of few nations who could challenge him, While supporting Ukraine's right to self determination we are playing a very dangerous game with a man many describe as an unstable lunatic

 

Following that logic we are fair game for invasion as US have provided us with weapons which can hit Russia

 

Except from Russia

 

Listen, if the UK were subject to the provocation that the Russian's have been under from practically the entirity of Europe, then do you think we wouldn't resort to something similar?

Why should the US/Nato hold the monopoly over who essentially runs the world? What makes us any better or any superior than Russia, China et al?

Without realising it, the vast majority of people over here and in the western world only know what our extremely biased media have told us.

 

Provocation? You mean a neighbour that you have already invaded once preparing to defend itself.

Suppose WW2 was Frances fault too

 

you do realise how patronising you sound?

Well ok, if we’re all that gullible, who told you not to trust ‘biased’ media? who seeded that narrative? Fwiw, I don’t discount some ‘conspiracy’ type talk and actually have some understanding of that area but it has changed a hell of a lot in recent yrs in thar it now is itself, mainstream. Conspiracy theory has been totally normalised and utilised by some areas in pushing certain narratives. You claim we’re blind to the biased nature of mainstream media, well It works both ways. As I’ve said before, conspiracy and throwing this kind of doubt is currency, these days. To me, that is more ‘interesting’ and concerning in that arena than the whole, don’t trust the media BS you get peddled all the time.
Question things yes, but things a rarely binary and so simple, even if some like to make out it is. It’s far more complicated than that.

 

I'm not talking about Ukrainian provocation, I'm talking about NATO and western forces edging nearer toward Russia over the years, encircling them. I'm not sure the UK would tolerate such provocation, and I would suggest we would respond to similar effects if our demands weren't met in relation to such provocation.

I don't mean to sound patronising. It's such a broad discussion, that I simply don't have the time to write an essay about it on here, which is why some of my points may seem blunt.

As someone from Eastern European descent and as someone who works in International Media, the narratives and media tone is completely different in those regions than it is here, which is why it's impossible to take at face value everything we are told by British media when there are so many grey areas and varying accounts of what we are told here, yet we only ever hear one side of the story, and that's the anti-Russian side. It's effectively brainwashing us to think in a certain way, because any alternative takes/outlets are either censored or banned here, and our media only have one narrow narrative on this subject.

War is terrible, and I like the vast majority of people want world peace. Regardless of where someone's viewpoint is on this, I don't think persecuting people based on nationality over what is ultimately the actions of one leader is right. In fact it's very wrong.

 

It looks like Germany have joined forces and are now prepared to send Ukraine military hardware.

Walls close on Putin as Germany FINALLY caves and sends heavy weapons to smash Russia (msn.com)

 

But we have not used them but we have sent our own stockpiles of weapons to the Ukraine to use to kill Russian people, That may be interpreted as an act of war by Russia and as the USA is to powerful to retaliate against the UK would be a perfect target for a strike short of outright war to teach the others a lesson to stop arms been sent, Unlikely? I hear said but who would of thought Europe would be at war 6 months ago, Once these thing start they are hard to control and spread in to bigger conflict

 

So what provocation are you talking about if not anything in the Ukraine, and if not in that country why invade that country. if it is provocation from NATO why not invade a NATO country?

 

Russia had the chance to become a modern democracy when the USSR broke up. Had it done so there would be no need for NATO. But it didn't - it reverted to a corrupt dictatorship led by a man who wants to re-establish Russian dominance over the old Soviet bloc countries.
You talk about NATO 'surrounding' Russia. But why did that happen? It happened because the ex-Soviet bloc countries sought membership of NATO to protect themselves from Russia, because they knew that Putin has never accepted their right to be independent sovereign nations. Russia's illegal annexation of Crimea and fermentation of unrest in Donbas confirmed the worst fears of neighbouring countries. Who can blame them for wanting NATO's protection?

 

What an absolutely clueless bellend our joke of a Prime Minister is.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/apr/27/boris-johnson-tempting-evil-revealing-ukrainian-soldiers-trained-poland?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

 

This does have some merit. I guess it depends whose side you have an allegiance to, usually it wil boil down to where your financial investments are situated. Theres a reason why the US spends nearly three times as much as it's nearest competitor on their military, the rest of NATO mere puppets on their powerful strings.
That said, it was Russia and Putin who started this conflict many years back with its invasion of Georgia and to where we are now. An illegal invasion of a sovereign nation. Can't allow a country to do that without severe repercussions.