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World war 3....

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by king karl, Feb 11, 2022.

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What will be the likely outcome

  1. Russia will back down

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  2. Ukraine will back down

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  3. It will drag on for years as is

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  4. Russia will fire nukes in Ukraine but NATO will not get involved

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  5. Russia will fire nukes in Ukraine and will be WW3

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  1. trevor

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    18,000 NATO troops to be deployed ( 8000 from the UK ) along with missiles, Tanks, Anti aircraft and Anti ship missiles, It all get closer to escalation to direct conflict
     
  2. JonButterfield

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    Russia have been invading countries and attacking territories non stop for decades.

    In fact, Russia has had to withdraw troops from one country it has invaded (Syria) to fight in another (Ukraine).

    You're having an absolute laugh if you think Russia is on the wrong side of a monopoly in terms of an entity dictating the future of other sovereign nations.

    What a ridiculous view point!

    Can you even name one single year when Russia was not attacking another set of people for not being Russian enough?

    Good luck.

    HINT: I honestly don't think there's a single year since 1900 that Russians/Soviets weren't attacking someone militarily.

    Not one single year.
     
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  3. trevor

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    Fairly similar to the USA and UK then,

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  4. BradfordBanter

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    1800+ posts probably suggests you do have the time to make a balanced point if you wanted to?
     
  5. River_City_Bantam

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    I note that Lavrov has now managed to tick off the Israelis... If one had to choose a people and a secret service to annoy, one would be well advised not to choose that particular people and service!

    That story though about Herr Schicklgruber having (some) Jewish blood is almost as old as the hills. My aunt recalls hearing it back in the 40's; it was then said to be from his mother's side. Other versions had it from his father's side. The Wiki (I know, i know, but it's an easily accessible summary) article on Alois Schicklgruber (Adolf's father) is sensible enough; remote as the possibility is, it cannot be 100% ruled out. And so Lavrov (and others of that mindset) have their chance -- a remote possibility gets presented as a fact, and off they go.

    The Israeli response has been a touch over-the-top however. To stick to just the Abrahamic religions, a Jew is as capable of persecuting and killing another Jew as a Christian is of other Christians, or a Muslim of other Muslims. And God knows we've seen and continue to see enough of the latter two groups behaving in such ways. One could substitute nationalities for religions and the story would remain the same.

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    On a happier note, I'm glad to see the that the Ukrainians are continuing to put up stiff resistance, and that they are getting more and better weapons with which to do this. At some point they are going to have to go on the offensive though, as I can't see the Russians voluntarily leaving the areas they now hold, Kherson region in particular. That will be rough, as places that have remained reasonably undamaged so far will get destroyed in the counter-offensive. But it will have to be done. Truss and the US people are right; the Russian troops must be pushed back behind their own borders.

    RCB
     
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  6. Tony Wilkinson

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  7. Bronco

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    Desperate Putin plots national call-up as panicked Russian civilians to be forced into war (msn.com)

    Russian reservists have been contacted and called into recruitment offices as Vladimir Putin moves towards a "national call-up". Civilians in Moscow reacted to the reports with panic, telling Sky News that they were "very afraid" of being called up. The fear of mass mobilisation comes ahead of Monday's Victory Day parade, where it is suspected President Putin might announce the drastic plans, this will go down well with the Russian youths, lets see if he still gets the backing from the ordinary Russian people when their lads are getting conscripted into the army.
     
  8. trevor

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    Russia has a professional army of nearly 1million troops, It is only using around 20% of its forces in Ukraine so has plenty in reserve, It has a reserve army semi trained of 2 million but doubt it would need them

    What is the size of the Russian military?
    The Russian Armed Forces are one of the largest military forces in the world. As of 2021 , the military comprised a little over 1 million active duty personnel, the fourth-largest in the world. Additionally, there are around 2 million reservists, with the total number of reserve troops possibly being as high as 20 million.
     
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    The dreaded main stream media at work. Russia will never be worried about depleting stocks of men and manpower. They have something like 12,000 tanks and goodness knows how many planes. But the losses they have sustained will have hit them hard, nothing changes the minds.of the people back home than their soldiers coming back home in body bags.
     
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    He's not helping himself by not deploying more troops for sure, as many including myself thought it would be over in a matter of a few weeks.
     
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  11. trevor

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    Problem for Russia is that while Ukraine only has an army of around 200,000 they have mobilised all men of fighting age that means a potential force of millions fighting for Ukraine
     
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    As I've posted before I can't see where this will end, another Afghanistan for Russia and a pull out, that doesn't sound like something Putin would do, if he has a constant battle with regards holding what Russia have already taken in the Ukraine it could be another Chechnya rebel situation, with the West putting sanctions in place can Russia survive any length of time under these sanctions.
     
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    A consequence of invading another nation, they will very rarely take it laying down and civilians will fight if needed.
     
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    They also have other theatres they operate in, I can't see them pushing their full forces onto ukraine, given they fancy themselves as a global superpower. I don't think it's feasible to assume the total amount of available manpower they have is what they have available to throw into the ukraine fight for this reason, and also as you've said about them already having a lot of their guys being sent home in body bags.
     
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    The rest of the world seems happy to keep supplying Ukraine with arms for as long as they are prepared to fight. I'm not sure there will be an end to the conflict in the east of Ukraine, possibly for years as both pummel each others positions with artillery. It's different for Ukraine now in terms of tactics, they can't merely defend anymore if they want to reclaim lost territory.
     
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  17. trevor

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    Putin will keep on until he controls Ukraine, That was his objective and he will not give up until it is achieved no matter the cost, On the upside for Russia the cost of the war for NATO countries in the supply of arms and money is draining the coffers of those countries with weapons having to be replaced, The cost of millions of refugees is also a factor with the considerable disruption and cost of looking after them,
    This has been a massive miscalculation by Russia and they are paying a price rightly so but by nature they are a nation who never give up no matter the cost and while the allies lost between 1 and 2 million in the war the 27Million Russians who died to defend Russia in the war demonstrates the resolve they have.
     
  18. Bronco

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    Although I agree with most of your post this could be another Afganist for Russia, and there weren't any economic sanctions on them during that conflict, I would hope no matter what the cost to the West they have to keep these sanctions in place to show the world entering another sovereign country will not be tolerated, that is of course unless its the west who are doing the attacking, or possibly a coup by top Russian party members who don't go along with Putins logic.
     
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    The article says the Rouble is at a two year high, not all time. That's doubtless because it's being supported by various extraordinary measures from the Russian central bank.
    How do you extrapolate from the exchange rate that 'the Russian economy is thriving more than it ever has'? The two things are very different. What's your source for that claim?

    Even if you were correct, a thriving Russian economy is still tiny - about the size of Holland and Belgium combined. It may think of itself as a world power but, economically, it's a small country that can ill afford to wage an expensive war for years on end, which looks like happening.
     
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