World war 3....

And yet despite all your verbal diarrhea ....I'm still right...

 

Oh dear

 

I'd highly recommend looking into Carole Cadwalladr's work on this topic. A lot of it is posted to her twitter page. As much as I might seem like a loony bin describing russian psy ops and what not, it is exactly what has been happening for something like 8 years, and has influenced politics massively in several western countries.



Quick edit - Arron Banks has spent a long time messing with her through the court system about this and lost which you can take what you want from.

 

It's pretty silly that we're all pretending Belarus isn't just Russia.

Yes, recognising it's a 'puppet state' is something, but given the country and it's military will just do whatever Russia says means it's Russia, not an independent state.

Putin thought he could achieve something similar in Ukraine, but he never will.

 

Zelensky now trying to blackmail NATO in to joining the fight against Russia saying that every death from now is the fault of NATO for not defending the Ukraine, This man has no morals or shame and will bring anyone in to the war to defend the war he was compliant in its start, He is quite happy for the deaths of our sons and daughters for his cause. He will lose this war and if he had any thought for the suffering of the Ukrainian people he would surrender and save hundreds maybe thousands of lives.
Not content with bringing war to his own country he is now determined to drag the rest of us in to it,

 

Sad, but probably true, only good thing is that Putin will never again be allowed to show his face anywhere..

 

How was Zelensky complicit in the start of this war? Please provide some evidence of this.

It's perfectly understandable that the rest of the west won't directly involve itself in this war for fear of sparking a full blown WW3. But it's equally understandable that any national leader, faced with the prospect of his entire country being rased to the ground by a ruthless neighbouring megalomaniac, would make similar demands.

 

Except Mar-a-Lago.

 

Russia warned him for months not to apply to join NATO as it would be unacceptable to them, He was told the nation could remain free and as it was but give an assurance not to commit to NATO, Zelenksy thought he could bounce the Ukraine in to NATO even when Russia made it was clear it would not be allowed and moved its forces on to the borders of Ukraine, He could have talked to Putin at that stage but chose not to believing Russia was bluffing, He has played a dangerous game and still is with little care for his own people even forcing men to stay and fight with no choice, The fog of war is leaning Zelensky way but in time it will be seen he had a huge responsibility in bringing this war to his people, Not content with this he is now begging for NATO and the USA to join him even though he knows the outcome of such an action on the people of western Europe, He cares even less for our people than he does his own

 

It's a strange logic trying to blame the leader of the country that has been invaded through no fault of its own other than being a carriage to add to a mad dictators train set.

 

Putin was invading regardless of decisions Zelensky made. This is years in the planning, allowed because the west failed to act after the invasion of Georgia in 2008. He knew then he could get away with whatever took his fancy.

 

Not sure that is correct, Had Ukraine given him the assurance he wanted he would not have invaded, Even he knew the high price Russia would pay for such an action but in his mind the aversion of a possible conflict with a nuclear NATO power putting nuclear missiles on his border and the possibility of a nuclear exchange was more important than been treat as a pyria state that he knew would be the case

 

You’re very naive if you believe a couple of months ago Putin just decided to throw an army together and gather on Ukraine border because they want to join NATO. To mobilise an army capable of invading a country of 40 million takes months of not years of planning and mobilising, he didn’t just decide well they still want to join NATO get an army in there asap. All them wanting to join NATO has done is speed up his intentions as to make sure he doesn’t suck NATO into a conflict.

 

He built up his forces bit by bit trying to put pressure on Zelensky to see sense until it became clear Ukraine was not going to move, He still only has a portion of his forces in Ukraine and has a larger force if needed, The clue that this was a last resort for Putin was the almost immediate offer of peace talks that are ongoing

 

I see the “do your own research” lads have been hard at work again.

 

Are you really a free country if you have to ask a neighbour who you can be friends with in case they get upset?

Imagine not being able to control your own foreign policy without ask permission from your larger neighbour

 

Mate, you’re the biggest whinger on this forum.

 

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That is the relation we have with the USA, They control our foreign policy and our armed forces with our "special" relationship including control over our nuclear deterrent which we would not have without their help

 

That isn't zelenskys fault, it isn't up to russia to dictate what a sovereign country can and cannot do. I dont necessarily agree with them joining nato either, but what I certainly don't agree with is russia saying something isn't allowed to a completely sovereign and independent nation.