Wokeness

Couldn't agree more. The intent is likely centered around being inclusive of all minority groups. But its a clumsy approach that in my opinion, does more harm than good and diminishes the unique roles/values of women.

 

Flagging up that the 'anti-woke' culture war is primarily generated and promoted by a section of the white male population who resent having to think about the effects of their words and behaviour on other groups, is not racist. It's a statement of the bleeding obvious.

 

Has any hospital gone gender neutral on pregnancy?

 

I agree with you Tony I’m sick of agendas being shoved down my throat when I’m trying to switch off from the horrible world we live in and watch sport. I’ve just posted a thread about getting rid of SKY TV altogether, I would be interested to see what everyone’s thoughts are.

 

What specifically do you mean?

Are you asking if a hospital has used gender neutral language? Specifically with regards to pregnancy?

I don't think I actually mentioned hospitals anyway.

 

yes because that seems to be what is being said. Has a hospital changed everything in the maternity ward to gender neutral?

 

Well its not what I said.

But no. Maternity wards rarely publish anything as far as I can see. That's not really a surprise to be honest though as it's not really their main job.

Elements of the media have pushed that general narrative though on wider topics than simply pregnancy.

 

so the talk of gender neutral pregnancy is just in there to annoy people when there is no evidence that it is happening anywhere?

 

No. I don't fully understand your point still. I said it happens just not directly from maternity wards but it's neither the main point of the thread or the post.

Here are some examples of the use of "pregnant people" which is the most common gender neutral version of "pregnant women"

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/need-extra-precautions/pregnant-people.html
https://www.nhs.uk/pregnancy/keeping-well/mental-health/
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-00031-8
https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/19911893.royal-bolton-rolls-new-blood-test-reduce-injections-expecting-mothers/
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jan/12/government-vague-messaging-covid-vaccine-pregnancy

The BMA themselves offer guidance here;

https://archive.org/details/2016BritishMedicalAssociationBMAGuideToEffectiveCommunication2016/page/n1/mode/2up

Which says "“A large majority of people that have been pregnant or have given birth identify as women. We can include intersex men and transmen who may get pregnant by saying ‘pregnant people’ instead of ‘expectant mothers’.”"

Does this help? It's still not the main point of what I said and you could simply have found these easily anyway, It's not like it's a new thing.

 

You won't be able to use the word Maternity anymore either. The Vulva owners suite probably, though if you have dyslexia you are going to be in for quite a surprise when you go in.

 

It isn’t a new thing to try and be inclusive to this that do not fit the standard definitions. It also isn’t excluding those that already fit those standards. It is also not widespread and is usually used in specific situations and like many things tailored to the individual user.

As for finding them easily I don’t think I would have done as the mention of pregnant people were few and far between in all the articles with a number of them switching between pregnant people and pregnant women.

I think the issue is some people can not accept change including not everyone that gets pregnant identify as a woman for whatever reason.

 

I still don't understand your point.

You seemed to suggest that the words used about general neutral language didn't exist. I showed you numerous examples including from official sources such as the CDC and end the BMA as well as respected media sources. I can find more if you like?

As I said, there is a push to neutralise gender. You don't believe that's happened but I've shown examples. So what is your actual point?

 

My point is is it actually happening in the real world or just in reports. When we had our child 3 years ago I can honestly say I didn't notice it.

Is the push, as you call it, to be more inclusive rather than neutralise gender. Do you think people who do not see themself as women should fell marginalised when trying to access medical treatment?

 

Whether you notice it or not is unimportant.....you implied it didn't happen but I've shown it has, so are you taking back that it was just a made up statement to cause issues?

I feel like everybody should be treated with respect regardless of however they identify. I feel like the boundaries of language and biology should also be acknowledged though and the two should not be muddled.

 

there is a major difference between it happening in journals/papers and it happening in real life eg maternity wards. Which hospitals is it happening in? Where is it happening?

as for made up statements I think you need to reread what I said.

 

What is not real life about what i posted? Its happening in the things that i said its happening in? I stil don't understand your point. What cross purposes are we at? What do you want from me?

Did this not imply it was a made us statement? Have I not shown what I said is happening is actually happening? Be specific.

 

not sure how more specific I can be.

name a maternity ward that has gone gender neutral?

 

I can't. They don't publish things. They birth babies.

Where have I claimed that maternity wards have done?

 

you can’t because it hasn’t happened. If it had the Daily Mail etc would have been all over it