Where will it end... 12th September as it happens

It's not really. In the middle of the rush to get PPE mistakes are going to be made, lessons are going to be learned and items that they believed were going to be suitable are going to end up not being. When you're procuring anything in a rush to specifications you're not sure about these things will happen.

 

Seriously????? Firstly, how come it is only the UK that seems to be making these mistakes? Other countries procuring PPE in a rush appear to have been doing just fine.
Secondly, I honestly can't believe you don't think there is anything wrong in the government handing out multi million pound contracts to companies set up by government advisers with no previous experience in procurement.

 

The Nightingale hospitals were built under false pretences. I remember the media beiing in full fear ovrdrive, yet i knew people who work in the ICU at Bradford, it was never anwhere near capacity. My mum was in there for a while during lockdown and they were never stretched to a point of having to use elsewhere.

 

How that lot got the contract for Bradford schools a few years back is beyond belief, I believe it was a 10 year contract (I could be wrong) and they made a right mess of things.

 

Not sure how you can say it was false pretences?

We didn't come close to needing them here, but London was totally different as a timeline.

 

Our NHS more than coped without them. It was virtue signalling by a government completely out of their depth.

 

Well yeah, that's how it turned out.

Areas in Italy had been overwhelmed though so can't really blame them for taking precautions. If it had of gone badly and they'd done nothing to increase capacity they would rightly have been taken to the cleaners for it.

 

It isn't at all. All countries will have got batches of PPE etc that turned out to be less useful than they initially thought. Everyone was fighting over them so the exact same spec items that we've rejected will have gone to many other countries too. Whether they've subsequently rejected them is up to those countries I suppose.

I don't believe that the people behind them - or at least the companies they were playing middle man to - won't have had procurement knowledge to be honest.

 

I think they genuinely didn't know how bad it would get after a very poor start.

The WHO warned loud and often about health services potentially getting overrun.

I don't think it was false, political, or virtue signalling at all. They took the action they deemed appropriate and that could have been necessary had things gone worse.

Some sites were used, but luckily it wasn't a lot.

 

The WHO have been part of the problem.

 

No, they have overestimated the scale of the pandemic, which is exactly what they should do.

They have outlined how to deal with a more severe outbreak, which is exactly what they should do.

The world was in a silly place where virtually all PPE was made in China, where there was nowhere near enough, where ventilators were in short supply, and where countries weren't prepared for an outbreak of this kind, which was easy to predict (so easy there are Netflix documentaries and Hollywood films outlining a likely scenario).

Countries need to be overprepared.

It's very naive to think that a response being too great IN THE END is poor management or virtue signalling. There's no other option, and it's the one aspect the government can't be criticised on.

 

If you don't believe it, check out the Good Law Project who have mounted a legal challenge about this very issue.

 

Nah, there's things like the GLP that only tell half a story so it's a little bit pointless when they're just starting the challenge. If anything results from it when everything is balanced out it'll be different.

Any criticism though does need to be viewed through the lens that every man and their dog were trying to get that stuff so the government were rightly getting it wherever someone had a trustworthy contact. All countries were in the same boat.

 

Better:

If I've made no mistake, Bradford's Pillar 1+2 new case numbers combined since available from 3rd of July is:
32,28,14,31,39,26,22,30,27,21,29,36,38,33,32,27,27,33,35,50,30,23,39,38,41,44,46,57,31

From August 1st
20,60,24,41,47,54.16

https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/news/local-news/location-breakdown-197-new-coronavirus-18739769

 

You are deluded.

 

When and if we get a second wave trust me the Nightingale Hospitals will be a very welcome addition. People will still run the government down though i guess. Pathetic !

 

Excellent debating.

The problem with people nowadays, especially when it comes to anything relating to politics. Throwing insults around is the default.

 

When and if we get a second wave trust me the Nightingale Hospitals will be a very welcome addition. People will still run the government down though i guess. Pathetic !

 

Surely the best thing that should have happened with the Nightingale Hospitals is that Covid patients should have been treated there and the "regular" hospitals carried on with their normal activities eg cancer treatment/heart disease etc. instead of closing everything down and more people now dying from those problems than are dying from Covid.