Where will it end... 12th September as it happens

Wouldn't run the government down for opening hospitals at the time they did; it's probably the only bit of planning they did. The rest of their decisions appear haphazard and knee jerk at best. The protective wear dealings were to quote yourself, pathetic. Mr B. I hope that one of your earlier posts wasn't indicating that they took note and learned from the situation in Italy. A final point; if you stand on your rostrum day after day, look squarely at the camera and lie, no one will know when you actually come out with the truth.

 

The UK new case figure has broken 1000 today but it should be remembered the number of tests performed has increased by nearly half in the last month. The 7-day averages are new cases up 52% on tests up 45%. Today has been boosted a bit by another of those factory outbreaks. Will this one spread? Previous ones don't seem to have.

Https://www.newsletter.co.uk/health/coronavirus/eighty-workers-food-plant-test-positive-coronavirus-2935656

UK "reported" deaths continue to fall steadily as do English hospital deaths by date of death - down about 40% and 50% respectively in the last month. (Germany has trebled daily new cases since mid-June yet daily deaths are down 2/3rds in the same time.)

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/

http://covidtracker.uksouth.cloudapp.azure.com/

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/germany/

 

Some people Due to party bias just cannot and will not accept the wrongs of a government.

 

I've voted for both conservatives and Labour in equal measures over my lifetime. I don't have any bias at all between them.

That's not the point though. The point was about the masks that were bought and then decided not to be used. I prefer Kier to Boris at the moment.

The reason that they weren't used wasn't because they were faulty or defective. They simply had ear loops and the medical experts decided that masks with full head straps gave a better fit so the ear loop masks were put to one side. Now, if anybody wants to explain why thats a disgrace or a failing then I'm fine with it.

 

Bearing in mind that the masks are being used in a working environment, sometimes in intense emergency, that should not take too much working out. The point is, our government should have known the required specifications prior to placing the order which now looks as though it was done in panic.

 

The advice changed as we learnt more through.

At the height of the PPE crisis I'm guessing that even masks with ear loops are better than no mask at all.

 

For us public, yes will agree with that. The masks if ok should be saleable

 

The issue here is not the straps at all. It’s the handing of contracts to a man, Andrew Mills who’s company had filed zero accounts and was set up only recently. It had no knowledge or experience of ever manufacturing or being involved in PPE. The government bypassed all usual precautions in place to stop waste of government and public money to grant these companies money which were very close with Liz Truss. If you think it’s all just about the incorrect specifications then fair enough. But it goes much deeper than that

 

but when you're 3 or 4 months in to working in the middle of it and three or four weeks in to using certain PPE products management recalls them all because they are not longer deemed safe to use it doesn't fill you with confidence that those in power will ever get a handle on things.

 

They haven't recalled them. Just pushed them down the list so that if you can use the other type - which they can because there are enough available - then do so. The advice will always change, it's crazy to think it wouldn't evolve.

 

There won't be any to use. The NEC is just about emptied and the London one is being dismantled next week. They will be starting in Manchester and Harrogate in the next couple of weeks.

 

And I think that's worthy of review but I'm not top concerned about the structure of the company. To me it's about the people behind it and their reliability to source the equipment rather than company status. Now if the masks had been dodgy then I'd have outright agreed but when it's simply that some of them had a type of strap that turned out not to be preferred but would have done in an emergency then it's not too much of a big deal.

For example. We have a customer at work who during the pandemic had the skills and resources to make sanitizer. When they decided to go down that route it was a big risk so rather than absorb all that risk into the existing company they utilised a seperate limited company specifically for the sanitizer so that if it all went tits up the "base" company wouldn't be affected. They didn't get a government contract as far as I'm aware but if they had it would have looked like it had been awarded to a new company with zero assets but all above board.

The government also were allowed to bypass all the usual procurement rules because they enacted - rightly I'm sure you'll agree - emergency protocols to be able to move quicker.

 

These are unprecedented times they have to run to keep pace with the amount of PPE needed it doesn’t surprise me mistakes are made. There are a lot of people sat on the sidelines criticising just happy they aren’t the ones making the decisions

 

When I buy something, like most people, I know beforehand what is needed to do what I want. Sorry Park, you're an old bastard like me but you can't go on forever making lame excuses

 

What’s lame about it. It’s easy to criticise but we have never been through anything like this before. Yes we were badly prepared for it and successive governments are to blame for that but this country is a perfect storm for this virus lots of people crammed together on a small island. Mistakes are bound to happen and need to be learned from but I think most people understand how difficult the situation has been which is why the Tories are still miles in front of labour in the opinion polls

 

You really do live in a bubble.

Why don't you live in Bradford my I ask?

 

As you do................not.......

 

Agree young man but there are different levels of mistake and the reasons behind them. If you had made a mistake of such magnitude in your employment, how long would you have expected to stay in that post? Most people are ultra careful when dealing with other peoples money. It is nice when the good decisions outweigh the bad. Answer me one question; notwithstanding Boris' superior intellect, how near to being PM would he be, were he born in an ordinary working class family?

 

No I don't but I see faults in things hence my decision.

However, Mr positive! Mr Nothing is wrong with the world i would have thought would be living in Bradford and being this super fan he makes out. Just interest why he's where he is. Nothing wrong with that and as long as he's happy I couldn't care. Just interested

 

Labour are closing in and closing in fast.

People are not happy with who the Covid has been handled and unless you live in a bubble you would understand that.

No people don't understand how difficult a situation is as when you require leadership then you expect it. Boris isn't a leader and thats clear.