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When do we start to question Hopkin?

Discussion in 'City Talk' started by Fordy117, Nov 4, 2018.

  1. HUDDERSSBANTAM

    HUDDERSSBANTAM Squad Player

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    It is a bottom of the league team.
    I sat their yesterday, thinking about our attacking options -

    No pace
    No power
    No width
    No creativity
    No target man

    That's not Hopkin's fault.
    Those are the card's he has been dealt.
     
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  2. Captain Black Adder

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    Said exactly the same last week. I honestly don’t think he helps the situation. Six straight defeats makes questioning Hopkin inevitable and the right thing to do. I’d like to bet Parky would have got a couple of wins out of this lot.
     
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  3. Captain Black Adder

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    I’m sure his job as a head coach is to develop and work with what he’s got.
     
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  4. Fordy117

    Fordy117 Just call me Mr Flip-Flop!
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    He knew that when he took the job.

    Collins had the same and did better.

    Could of played a winger with pace but didn't yesterday.

    Could of played Payne but didn't

    Poor excuses. Poor manager
     
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  5. HUDDERSSBANTAM

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    He tries playing Payne and we lose by 4 because we're carrying him defensively.

    If you're referring to Seedorf, neither Collins or Hopkin have trusted him for more than 10 minutes off the bench. I think that tells us everything.

    Hopkin's big mistake was not getting a target man, the minute he walked through the door. We're crying out for a forward to win a few headers and that's been obvious since day one.
     
  6. HUDDERSSBANTAM

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    You cannot polish a turd. The recruitment has been dire for the last three windows.
     
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  7. Broadsider

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    What does a Coach/ Manager do if there is hardly a hope in hell of scoring? Correct, he makes the team bloody difficult to beat. DH hasn't managed to achieve any of that. In fact it's got worse as our shambolic defence just caves time after time.

    If these so-called good quality professionals at our Club are as good as they are purported to be then why can't they successfully achieve the basics of organisation and defence?

    Maybe DH isn't that great at getting his messages across?

    Agree, we can't just keep on hiring and firing the way we do but another loss at Shots coupled with absolute nailed on defeat at Posh and in all honesty even DH himself must concede that he's flogging a dead horse!
     
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  8. Craven Cottager

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    Hopkin Out. Other managers have been able to turn failing teams around.
     
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  9. Bantamsteve

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    No it's not Hopkins fault as he didn't sign them
    However he must have seen the team and its "non qualities"
    prior to accepting the job ( bought into the dream) and thought he could mould them into a team
    That's where if anywhere he is at fault I fail to believe he didn't watch at least
    a couple of games before taking the position and remember no one would have been twisting his arm up his back I think he has quickly learnt the vast difference between English and Scottish football
    Is he the man to get us out of this mess personally I think not without a radical top to bottom clear out and some much needed experience throughout the club even Pep would struggle
     
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  10. Bantamsteve

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    Your last paragraph is very tellling
    He must have known that "route one" was an option to get us out of this mess and to do this you needs a big unit as a target man so why didn't he make it a priority or has he not been allowed to !!!
    If he ever had or has any thoughts Kai could fulfil that role then we are well and truly down the pan
     
  11. HUDDERSSBANTAM

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    That is the question. Was he not allowed to or did he choose to go without.

    Steve Davies was free and just what we needed.

    If he chose to go without, then a big mistake IMO.
     
  12. Halfmanhalfbiscuit

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    Maybe falling to the bottom of the league was inevitable regardless of who was the manager only a fool would sack Hopkins
     
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  13. Halfmanhalfbiscuit

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    You’re Leeds
     
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    Either way be it Hopkin or the club
    It's massively short sighted and will prove a big part of our downfall
     
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    This thread basically explains how difficult Hopkin's job is.

    No two posters seem to come even close to agreeing on who or how we should be playing.

    It must be hard getting a bag of spanners to function like a well-oiled machine.
     
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  16. Halfmanhalfbiscuit

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    Play wingers and your more open , it’s not rocket science really Pompey are top.another 3 or 4 nil defeat wouldnt help would it
     
  17. HUDDERSSBANTAM

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    He's unsackable. It would just make the owners look even more clueless than they already do.
     
  18. Fordy117

    Fordy117 Just call me Mr Flip-Flop!
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    He's not unsackable at all.

    Is that how you think Business works? It's a results business mate.

    Currently Hopkin is failing to get a tune of the players and isn't inspiring them.

    When your record is worse than the previous person in any job then you're far from unsackable.

    Hopkin is failing and no one can state otherwise.
     
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  19. hippo

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    Good god fordy here you go again. I shouldn't be surprised as you've wanted every manager/coach that ever was sacked. You're posts are akin to you having your car spluttering with no acceleration and you taking it in to the garage and asking for the brake pads to be replaced.

    Hopkin is 100 times better than Collins and he is definitely the man for us. The reason is very simple. He has managed to do something that a succession of managers/coaches have failed to do including Mr Championship manager himself. Even Parky realised he wouldn't be able to achieve it and was away before trying. Hopkin has demanded and got autonomy back. Let's not kid ourselves the last 12 months has set us back years and years and things may well get worse before they get better. The first shoots of recovery can now be seen, however, under Hopkin and he should be left to get on with the job.
     
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  20. Fordy117

    Fordy117 Just call me Mr Flip-Flop!
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    Results business mate.

    What's his record again?

    He's failing mate unless you think losing every week isn't?

    As for the Pompy game, for me I thought we were just bang average, unorganised and the tactical changes were uninspiring.

    To even say Chicksen had an excellent game makes me question what he sees in a game.

    Hopkin is failing.. not saying sack him but I am saying we have to start judging him now.
     
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