Shay McCartan

The difference is McCarten deserved more time ahead of Poleon

 

Never once mentioned Patrick have I?

Are you just saying things to be against the club at every opportunity?

McCartan clearly has something about him. Was decent for Accrington, picked for his country and scored a couple of goals when picked.

I’d be more than happy if McCartan gets picked this year. He deserves a chance as my post says.

But if you prefer, he’s shit and we need to get rid at the first chance.

 

If you are willing to give Mcarten a chance because of lack of game time, should the other underachievers also be given a chance due to lack of game time? Just seeing how consistent you are with your argument. In short, I think the arguments for "getting behind the lads" are very weak and kind of boring tbh. Players rightly get criticised when it is due.

 

If Mcarten should be given a chance after underachieving why shouldn't Patrick? Or Raedar? It was stop start for them too and a step up.

 

Because McCartan clearly has calibre and we paid a decent fee for him compared to the other two. He plays international football and has proven himself at least in league two.

Partick and reader have done neither.

We are not even comparing the same type of players here. We are not a massive club with loads of money who can afford to just chuck a player to one side when we have paid money for him

Even you can surely see that?

 

On what basis? McCall saw him in training, didn't rate him. Grayson saw him in training, didn't rate him. When he did get into the pitch he generally looked poor and our chairman was trying to get rid of him in January.

 

I agree with you that we give some players to much chance to come right however I'd have thought the difference between McCarten and the other players you've mentioned are relatively obvious.

McCarten has at least achieved something in the game although at a low level. Patrick and Raeder have achieved nothing at all. I don't think there's any issue with seeing potential in one but not necessarily in all players.

 

If you can tell me when I ever said “get behind the lads” or stated that it was wrong to critique the players then your point might be more valid. My initial point was all about writing off McCarten entirely (i.e. those saying we should sell him). That’s what I don’t agree with, no issue with pointing out a player’s flaws or stating that they had a bad season (which I accept most players did last season).

Not much more I can say to be honest. You’re replies just show a lack of actual reading of my posts.

 

Grayson realised to late he should be in. And he was the only player including Wyke who attracted any interest in January

 

Evidence for this claim?

 

Self evidence

 

Share it please otherwise your statement is redundant.

 

We'll have to disagree on what continues as calibre. His greatest footballing achievement is scoring 10 goals in a season for Accrington. I'm yet to see any concrete evidence to show that he was successful at league 2. Have you seen anything? Whatever he (supposedly) did it wasn't scoring or assisting. Perhaps he had presence.

Players have to be judged on what they show on the pitch and not their fee. If he shows no signs of Improvement it's time to cut our losses.

 

Biily Knott ‘clearly had something about him’. The players that clearly have something about them do it week in week out. You know, the likes of Cullen etc. Apart from a 5 month spell at Accrington McCartan has shown little to suggest he is up to league 1. Our problem is we bought him on the backnof that 5 month spell. I’ll be pleased for the lad if he makes it but i don’t see it happening.

 

Stop being pedantic. Phrases such as "we should not be writing him off" or "we should give him time to develop" roughly translates into getting behind him and giving him a chance. I was using other players in our squad in similar positions to see if they get the same leeway. You're also being equally as pedantic with your comment about you not mentioning that we shouldn't point out the flaws in his game. You might not have written those exact words, but you don't have to. Reacting to the criticism of Mcarten by stating that it's silly to write him off implies that you'd rather we didn't do it.

I'll leave it here as there's nothing really further to discuss apart from picking each other up on wording.

 

This is where we'll agree to disagree. I'm yet to see anything which shows me he was as good in league 2 as some on here make out. Admittedly, I was one of those who thought we had signed a hot shot striker but in hindsight it was the 200k price tag which made me think that. The reality is I knew absolutley nothing about him as a player or how he performed in league 2 and I doubt our avid Accringtin Stanley fans on here did either.

 

Whether you think it's an amazing achievement it not scoring 30 goals in the professional game is "something" and is exactly why you likening him to a player like Patrick doesn't stack up.

Whether he's good enough or not is massively debatable but he's clearly got a little more chance the an absolute rookie who has shown nothing.

 

I'm not sure i agree with this, we have three or four young forwards next year as well as McCartan who is no youngster anymore. I wouldn't be surprised to see the youngsters get more game time even though they have little experience.

 

Maybe. Not a lot of point speculating either way at this point I suppose.

Right now though McCarten shouldn't be classed in the same category as Patrick based on their whole career even if their levels of performance here have both been poor.

 

Fair comment. I get the impression that Collins will go with 3 at the back and play Riley and Chicksen/Robinson as wing backs. How that dictates the way we play our front line i have no idea. Wing backs means no wingers, so a three man midfield and two upfront would be my guess. Reeves and Wright for two of the midfield spots, Wyke upfront leaves a midfield space and a forward space to fill. Personally i would give McCartan the forward spot, struggling for the remaining midfield spot though.