Shay McCartan

Problem is (thanks Edin) there is no reserve or development team. These players that may have some potential aren't going to realise it in training or coming on for 20 mins for first competitive match in 2 months. Piss poor setup and not what these players were promised (or us fans)

 

Problem is (thanks Edin) there is no reserve or development team. These players that may have some potential aren't going to realise it in training or coming on for 20 mins for first competitive match in 2 months. Piss poor setup and not what these players were promised (or us fans)

 

They’ve got to keep hold of their manager, but I agree. Have had a really good bet on them in July to get promoted this season (2/1) and win the league (9/1) as we knew what McCarten could do in League Two and Akinde is a machine at that level and looked a great signing from Barnet. Frecklington and O’Connor are as good as any in that league too and can run games. Just hope Cowley bros don’t get poached!

I reckon Shay will want to stay. He feels wanted and the club is in a good place. He didn’t sound like he wanted to return here before and so recalling him against his wishes could reduce his productivity.

 

I thought the plan was to buy young talent develop them and sell on at a big profit .

 

I think although McCarten sounds reluctant to leave Lincoln,I think that is due in part to the past circumstances at City.

If DH seriously wants to activate the clause to bring him back then he has to have a serious talk with the lad to get his perspective on things and also tell him how things have now changed dramatically and after due consideration then see if his attitude is any different.

If he is still wanting to stay at Lincoln then sell him and move on.McCarten has ability,he is an international but he needs the right coaching,incentive and belief that his career and international opportunities will be better served at a bigger club in a higher league.

If he comes round and wants to give his all for us then he will be an asset to us.

 

McCartan signed for three years so he’s still got 18 months left on his deal. If he was worth 75k in the summer then we don’t want to be bending over and accepting any less. His stock has risen again now he’s a valued member of a promotion chasing team. Tell them they can sign him for 75k, plus 75k if they go up, or we’re recalling him!

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/sport/sportbcfc/16053213.amp/

Bit here in the T & A. Suggests he struggled with size of the club. It’s not got any smaller and the expectation levels are no less. We don’t need shrinking violets.

 

No,that's for people who "know football".

 

It's down to the manager to manager the player so they are not constantly 'wide eyed' about the size of a club

I'd like to see Hopkin get his teeth into McCartan. I'm convinced that the revelation that O'Brien is simply wouldn't have happened under any other manager we've had since Jewell

 

We've a manager now that I would suggest believes in this, like some of us fans. I'm sure he'll see it as his job to bring some decent youngsters through - after all we will never grow properly unless we have some kind of youth / younger players philosophy

The idea should be admired, even if the execution was never convincing and it's basically been abandoned for a year

 

No we don't our priority should always be all available money goes on better first team players, you think Hopkin believes in bringing non-league players in developing them to sell on, I know it's come as a shock to you @banbrotam but Edin has left the building, back to reality.
I'm sure he made the right noises to Edin with regards his dream but now restored as manager he will IMO want every available penny spending on the best quality players the club can afford, I believe Julian and Dave Hopkin will get on famously because Julian knows what running the non-footballing side of the club is all about, and Dave Hopkin knows football.
Do you think it's only been abandoned for a year, sorry mate can't agree at our level it very rarely works, let's have a serious look at what we have as a club development wise, Gibson, McCartan, Patrick, Robinson, Hanson, I'd say nowhere near good enough for a starting place, Robinson was as near as anyone but with a full injury free squad the kid would have been on the bench at best.

 

nonsense to suggest Hopkin will be wanting to bring youngsters in in order to sell them for the future of the club - he'll want the best available players in his team, regardless of age.


and rightly so, at this level.

 

If we can get any youth into the first team then all well and good.

However, these development squads sound commendable on paper, and it rears it's head every decade or so like a eureka moment in the boardroom.

The last one before Rahic's brainchild was under Peter Jackson 7years back, remember Archie and his development squad. In came PP and it died a death, same as this is has now.

DH is quite rightly focused solely on the first team.

We don't have the resource to fund and maintain a development squad in the way it's required to work, without it taking away from the first-team. Such luxuries are afforded to clubs like Southampton that are successful at this.

 

If you're a professional footballer with a relatively short career,you should want to be the best you can be,playing for the biggest club at the highest level.

With all due respect to Accy,if that's the size of club McCarten feels happiest at,then he lacks ambition and I don't think anyone at City would be ok with that lack of belief. If he wants a successful career,including being an international he needs to set his goals a lot higher.

 

And if the 'kid' is overwhelmed by large crowds ......... He can't expect many more Caps for his Country ......

The highest I ever played infront of was circa 500 - I would have loved and embraced an opportunity to display my 'talents' before thousands. McCartan has the chances that I didn't ........ Grab 'em whilst you can, kiddo !!

 

Shay McCartan getting very mixed reviews on the Lincoln City forum.

https://forums.vitalfootball.co.uk/threads/shay-could-be-returning-to-bradford.89497/page-2

"Nice to read that Shay's stated he prefers to stay at Lincoln and I think the comment "that it may force Lincoln's hand to sign him permanently" is significant - my guess is that's the most likely outcome. I would be happy if we do"

"Dont think they are suggesting £250 K, but not totally convinced by him, tends to fade from games, but at £50,000 ish maybe."

"Seems a ploy to get us to buy him to me, but I'd not push the boat out for him. Certaily not anywhere near £100k. As above, if they were after £50k or something you'd probably go for it, but that'd represent a huge hit for them."

"After a very bright start (thought he was magnificent first half against Swindon in an attacking midfield role), I personally think he’s faded badly.

Doesn’t score enough, doesn’t turn on the ball enough in those deeper forward positions, and more often than not fades out of games (has he for example had one good 90 minute performance for us?). For me, he too often plays in that nowhere zone which is too far from the main front man (usually Akinde), and too far from midfield to get on the ball and dictate play (as he did in the aforementioned Swindon match). This could be a setup issue rather than a player issue, but whatever it is, we haven’t seen nearly enough of his best form to warrant a hefty permanent transfer fee. Let’s not also not forget we’re supposed to be looking at League 1 standard players, and therefore the reviews coming out of Bradford should not be dismissed too readily. If he couldn’t cut it with them at the higher level, could he do it with us? From the evidence I’ve seen so far, I’d have to say no.

Don’t get me wrong, the lad is miles away from being a bad player. I just don’t think he’s worth anywhere near the mooted £100k, and nor do I think he should be an automatic pick in the first XI. Cambridge proved to me that the Rhead/Akinde partnership can be more effective, and therefore McCartan would seem more to me like an impact player off the bench.

£50k tops for me, and if Bradford want to play hardball on this by demanding a high transfer fee, let him go back and we can take our chances in the loan/non league market."

"That's a decent enough assessment though a bit over-critical - his position is dictated by the coach though like you I'd also like to see him turn and run at defences more.

The question is do we look any better going forward when he isn't playing? I don't think we do.

But I'm undecided whether he should be permanently signed."

Not great reading, truth be told...

 

He's shi&e- please move on!

 

It’s him or nothing off of the bench?

 

That bench today looked very weak indeed. Maltby, Isherwood, Devine, Wood, Akpan, Miller. & Wilson (GK).

Of those, only Miller is going to help you get at teams and rescue something from a game?

 

I think if players like Wright, Jones and Riley AREN'T gone by the end of January, it would be disingenuous to not put them on the bench.