Expectations?

You love putting words in my mouth don't you? No, thats wasn't my point. I've already said that we don't have enough fans willing to pay premium prices, so it wouldn't make any sense in raising the prices.

Don't dispute that good management plays a big role in success. So do playing budgets. As a general rule, good quality, proven players tend to cost more money than the average ones, and that, for obvious reasons, requires a good budget.

 

19 pages and you still haven’t made a valid point. I’m leaving it here and agreeing to disagree.

 

The fans have to pay up front in hope! Now hope has a price, and it is not normally based on any solid evidence. You first have to give the fans hope, vision and future planning before asking them to buy into the dream of promotion. The vision we were given over the last three years was based on nothingness, because the person presenting did not have the required credentials. When I need a plumber, I am not interested in someone who says he is a plumber! I want a bona fida plumber.

It is wrong to suggest the city fans won’t buy into a premium product. Yes we will or might if we had a person with the right credentials and a sane vision for our club. We have a solid fan base of approx 8000, who I think would have the patience to stick with the club through thick and thin. The way to sell merchandise; a classic example of when not to launch your key merchandise is now! fans are miserable and angry and do not want to buy bugger all! when the team is doing well is the time. Whether you have 14000 in the stadium or 5000, won’t matter a jot if the time is not right they won’t sell. It is always swings and roundabouts, do we lower the price and encourage more or not. Before any of that, you have to get your key produce correct and that is the team on the field has to be performing well, so you can move your secondary produce.

We must have investment on the field first and foremost, and that is not the responsibility of the fans.

 

Mate, you've spent half the thread disagreeing with your own posts.

Higher playing budgets give your club a better chance of sustained success. Get into the Championship especially, and some of the budgets there will blown us out of the water.

A perfectly valid point. It's not my fault if you cant comprehend it.

 

In the 2018/2019 season, Bradford City had a higher playing budget than had been the case for a number of years. This was to give them a better chance of sustained success (allegedly).
Bradford City were relegated to League 2, finishing bottom of League 1, five points adrift of 23rd place.

Discuss.

 

That was as a result of poor backroom decisions and arguably poor management. I've agreed, twice, that both of them factors play a part in success. So do budgets. It's difficult to achieve success without investing in good quality, proven players who are willing to accept 500 quid a week.

 

Nope Taweed, you’re reading too much and twisting the words. My point was (is) that if you have a successful product on the pitch, fans WILL be happy to pay more. Had we put prices up following our promotion I believe we would have had over 15-16k paying around £200-£250 a season ticket.

But, here’s the part you are ignoring. We have just been relegated so the appetite to come next season has wained, without putting up prices. You do get that don’t you?

I’m sure you knew what I was getting at, but as always, you’d rather look for a fight. I’m not interested in your games. Back on ignore sunshine...!

 

That’s irony at its very best...!

 

A lunatic wasted the budget.

End of discussion.

Having a well run club is essential. Giving that well run club as much money as possible will increase the chances of success.

EDIT - I also disagree that our budget this year was intended to give us a better chance of sustained success. I don’t think there was anything considered or planned about it, which is why it was such a surprise to Rupp and why he had to take evasive action.

We didn’t have a big budget. We blew our budget because, having ousted anyone who opposed him, Rahic indulged in a huge vanity project. Every penny we spent in the summer was about his own indulgence.

 

I've not twisted anything. I made the point that a large section of our and are only prepares to pay for cheap football. You orignally agreed with it with the following:

"Then you have those that starting coming back in the last 10yrs but only because it is affordable. You put prices back up and the majority of these will leave again. "

"Putting up prices is not the way as many fans simply wouldn’t renew"

And then started disagreeing with yourself:

"Hang on Taweed. How do you know “a large proportion of our fan base are only prepared to pay mediocre prices”? What analysis/research have you done to make that comment?"

"I’m clearly disputing the flaw in your argument. A large number of fans signed up on the back of a couple of Wembley visits and success. Yes, the tickets were cheap, but you simply do not know how many of them would renew at £200 - £250.
How many fans turned up and paid full match day prices to watch our cup games during our successful runs? The appetite is there if there is a product on the pitch worth paying for."

Very very bizzare.

 

They are the factors to our demise. Not fans who dont “pay enough”

 

who said otherwise?

I think more revenue would help us generate a larger budget. I'm being told that large budgets don't matter.

Easy enough to follow.