Expectations?

Here he is. He's finished his night shift in his phonebox and ready to attack like the a creature of the night.

 

After about 12 posts on it you still haven’t made a valid point of how fans are accepting mediocrity is causing our decline.

Don’t try and make out I’m stupid because your point has no meaning other than you think fans are accepting mediocrity because a few other people have said it.

Bringing up Kai Brunker is not a sign of accepting and again not a reason we were relegated. He was a bit of a cult hero and went out the door with plenty of games to go. Is that all you’ve got? Fans took to Kai Brunker so are therefore accepting Mediocrity?

As I’ve said before. The people you are talking about are not on this forum or others. The people who pick and choose when to get a season tickets are not the hardcore support and I’d say the majority on here would Renew no matter what the price.

You can blame poor management, dire decisions by then chairman. Poor recruitment of players. Lack of pre season. Not having this made up fallacy of fans being to blame because they don’t boo enough. Rubbish.

 

The only reason I think fans took to Kia, was the fact that he was enthusiastic, committed to the cause of Bradford. This was in stark contrast to the rest of the squad. This is a key requirement for all players that sign for City, I am presuming the rest didn’t get the memo!!

The fans do not accept mediocracy it was there attempt to try and find something positive in a disastrous season. Of course they knew he had a massive skill gap, and all things being equal he would never get near a decent City side. Let’s face it the majority of fans in general go to watch their team to enjoy or not as the case maybe beat other teams, it is tribal and normally entered into for life. It wasn’t the fans that brought Kia to Bradford City.

 

Spot on. If we'd done okay this season, Kai would not have got the attention he did. The fact that he did and that his enthusiasm and effort was applauded by many just reinforces how utterly dire the rest of the squad have been.

 

The few thousand that go to early cup games put more money into the club. They are doing their bit to help the club increase revenue. Funnily enough, they mostly seem to be the alleged happy clapping type that drink tea and "accept mediocrity". Maybe those that are desperate for the club to have a bigger playing budget should go to early cup games and buy cups of tea. Another 10k fans at each cup game might add £100k to revenue. Maybe the no-shows are the ones accepting mediocrity by not going to these games.

 

How do other businesses all over the world generate more money??? They improve their product or service, publicise it and get more customers through the door.
It all starts however with investment from the owners / sponsors or external investors and without that its almost impossible to achieve your goals.
So it’s time for the owners of Bradford City to stump up their cash.

 

***WINNER***
Agree the investment has to come from the owner, the product improves and with it so do attendances.

 

My opinion hasn't been formed because a few posters on here were behind Brueker or Rahic. It comes from the fact that a large proportion of our fan base are only prepared to pay mediocre prices, watching mediocre football, in a mediocre league which is as far as I'm concerned an inherent acceptance of mediocrity. This i feel, for obvious reasons, is holding us back. Where Bruenker and Rahic come intp the argument has already been explained to you, which you've completely ignored.


If you disagree with my viewpoint then fair enough, but don't put words into my mouth and then claim im not answering your question even though Iv'e addressed it directly several times.

 

How do you know a “large proportion” are only prepared to pay mediocre prices? Didn’t we do the fan pack things last season to generate more income and a fair few took them.

Also a fair few fans bought season tickets for the club to give to other fans who couldn’t go when Mason was here.

Plus how much did we raise for the electronic scoreboard screen and also changing rooms when the club did that scheme? Fans again backing the club. And not just paying mediocre prices.

How much do you always fans to pay? And how is that directly linked to the club doing well? Other than maybe a slight increase in budget?

 

And those same people you talk about are happy with a mediocre job, mediocre wage, mediocre house, mediocre car etc etc.
There’s winners and losers in life and unfortunately the vast majority of people in Bradford are losers.

 

But that’s the issue per se. You have a bunch of fans that will go no matter what and will pay whatever the going rate is. I class myself as one of them. Then you have those that starting coming back in the last 10yrs but only because it is affordable. You out prices back up and the majority of these will leave again. Then you have a 3rd pot who will only support if they believe they are getting value for money. Turning up only when they are seeing progress and a product on the pitch. There are a fair few of these on here by the look of things

 

You already know the answer to this and have answered it above:

"Didn’t we still get around 8500 when prices were much higher before lawn/Rhodes changed it all?

We were shite then too"


You're so intent on disagreeing with everything i say that you're now couterarguing your own points.

I think you're underplaying the effect it would have. Let's continue with the cheap, great value for money theme and say we sold season tickets for just £215, with the same uptake we currently get. Even that would see about roughly a million extra pound in revenue from our current prices at £150.

 

WINNER

 

So long as they stay within the rules and don’t invest to the extent that we go bust think back to GR and his 6wks of madness), I’m sure we would ALL want that

 

apart from the fact that none of he's written is true?

 

You must be well liked in Bradford if you know that many Bradford citizens to come out with that sort of comment, maybe you know 100 well enough to come out with that comment, Bradford having 530,000+ population.
Where do you draw the line between winners and losers, money in the bank, people who own their own homes, people who have brought a family up and given them a great start in life helped with (mum & dad's bank), someone who runs a business, just how do you judge a loser, or a winner come to that?.

 

Hang on Taweed. How do you know “a large proportion of our fan base are only prepared to pay mediocre prices”? What analysis/research have you done to make that comment?

We dropped into L2 all those years ago and the club dropped the prices to try to rebuild the fan base. The prices have stayed low since. Had we put prices up following promotion, I’m sure the fans would have stuck around. Then when we got to the play-offs, we had another chance to raise the prices. It wasn’t fans not buying at full price, it was the club’ decision.

You don’t know how many of our 14k support would renew at £200. You’re second guessing

 

Well we’ll have to agree to disagree then. You’ve still not told me how I and the majority of our 14k fans are accepting mediocrity. That’s why his point is ‘winner’, whilst you scrap around trying (in vain) to back up your point... but failing with any substance...!