Expectations?

Really don’t understand the point you are getting at in the second paragraph.

Are you saying we should spend our way out of trouble and cheap tickets are holding us back?

 

I'm saying that the amount of revenue we currently generate from season tickets isn't enough for sustained levels of success.

 

And most fans thought those days were well behind us, where we relied on a Cup run to generate revenue or we had to sell sell an asset.

 

Word of the month: Mediocrity.

 

Is this a proven way of sustaining levels of success?

 

We can’t live off season ticket sales whether they go up or not, and especially as we have aspirations to be a championship club. It will take investment from the owner or owners or more investors coming onboard. As I keep saying there is more than the team that needs upgrading and rebuilding.

The price of season tickets is an interesting discussion; give me good competitive football with the prospect of promotion and the price of ticket will take care of itself. We can only do that by being a future planning and a well run club,

 

Didn’t we still get around 8500 when prices were much higher before lawn/Rhodes changed it all?

We were shite then too. Makes no odds

I think you’ve seen this “fans are accepting mediocrity” argument and cottoned onto without even thinking it through. It’s rubbish

 

Don't raise to it mate it would seem @BoingBoing wants me and you to join him in his phonebox.

He is bored of fighting himself.

 

You're not listening. At this stage, I'm not even convinced you're reading my posts. I'll try and demonstrate it in numbers for you.

15k fans paying £150 for a season ticket= 2.25M

15k fans paying £250 for a season ticket= 3.75M

Using those numbers as an example, the extra £1.5M could go towards an increased playing budget and improving our infrastructure which would give us a far better chance of sustained success.

I know that we aren't going to get 15 thousand fans paying £250 for a season ticket, and that it will be closer to 8,500- that's precisely my point!

A large section of our support are only prepared to watch us play for 6 quid a game. They aren't ambitious enough to strive for better and take the necessary action required to achieve better.

 

I have no expectations for next season.
Personally, i dont think that any amount of moneybthat Rupp ploughs in for players will make any difference unless we get the right structure and people within the club sorted.

 

I’d argue you’re not articulating your point very well and jumping around to try and make a point which isn’t there.

You know the fans you are taking to on here are likely to pay the going rate and are not willing to accept “mediocrity” in your eyes. I’d say if you asked most posters how long have they had a season ticket for they’d say the last 10/15/20 years regardless if price etc. Some of them probably accepted Brunker as a player. So are they ones you are getting at?

Or is it them who only come because it’s cheap and are probably brought along by the people who have been going for donkeys and always go? I’d say we are better keeping it as it is and the increased numbers in the Gate will mean the club can tie in better sponsorship deals/catering/club shop sales etc from it.

The cheap deal provided the impetus for the best years of our clubs recent history and is not the reason we got relegated last season as you seem to believe. It never will be.

Short sighted management choices are and will always continue to cost us.

 

You’re agreeing with me then.

I’ve stated the fans are not to blame for the recent decline.....

It’s good managers who will always turn the club around. None of this bollocks about we are going down because the fans are only happy to have a club to support.

 

And why does that ever effect results on the pitch?

 

The point still stands. How do we raise more funds to increase that budget? Putting up prices is not the way as many fans simply wouldn’t renew.

 

Yet you’re the one tagging me in your post. Grow up man and get that application submitted. At the moment you’re the worst of us on here for accepting mediocrity....!

 

Agree there’s no point getting into an argument on this. But just to correct you, you haven’t answered his post.

To remind you, his question was “where do YOU think we should be and what is that based on?”

Your initial reply, the one that I subsequently responded to, waffled on about it not being about about where you think we should be and instead it should be about where we want to be.

He then asked where you want to be and your reply was “as good as we can be”. I think we all want that, but as he had asked you, what is this based on? You completely ignored that part of the question. We could argue they at this moment in time, we are as good as we can be, but what does that actually mean? Who judges what ‘as good as we can be’ is?

 

I'd argue your comprehension skills are extremely poor and you're not understanding a very simple point.

The point here isn't that some of the Bruenker/edin fanboys may be prepared to stump up more cash for a season ticket. The point is that the attitude of accepting mediocrity prevalent in the Bruenker/Edin fanboys is exactly the type of attitude that sees many fans not prepared to pay more than 6/7 quid a game in the first place. If you disagree, fair enough but you're continuously misunderstanding the point that's being made almost after every post now.

Cheap season tickets did not give us impeteus for success. Large budgets funded through sell on clauses and add ons aswell as Lawn/Rhodes prepared to gamble in 2012/13 gave PP the tools needed to transform us.

 

Agree with your last sentence and that's the crux of my argument. Until we see a shift in mentality from a large proportion of our fans we cannot raise the prices.