Expectations?

Only £200 is still piss cheap and exactly what i think we should ideally be getting away from. When Lawn first bought in the cheap ticket initiative, how much were season tickets, £199? Double the prices and attendances' will drop. What about 15k at £300? Highly optimistic I'd say, but entirely doable if the appetite amongst our fans was there.

 

So then it all comes down to just not getting enough revenue in to rebuild the side? So after all it’s not the fans accepting mediocrity but it’s the fact that 14000+ each season keep renewing at a cheap price (not set by them) that they are accepting mediocrity?

Still don’t get your point and never will. Seems other people don’t too. Not just me.

I think you’ve read a few people have said we are accepting mediocrity, thought you’d spout it yourself but then not realised what your argument is and who you are blaming.

In actual fact the price has now gone down this season and less have renewed than last season. Maybe because the fact some fans are fed up of the poor performances? And playing in a lower league despite your argument we pay for cheap tickets because we accept mediocrity?

I’ll go back to my original point seen as it seems to have been lost in these recent posts. The fans “accepting mediocrity” by conintuing to buy cheap tickets is not the reason we are where we are and never will be. It’s poor management and board room level decisions and player recruitment.

We had a big budget this season with cheap tickets and look to have the same next season, comparative to our league position. Rahic has gone and has no say this summer and we will have a full pre season with one mans vision on the training ground and in the transfer market and that will be the reason we do well. The larger crowds will be attracting players as Bowyer alludes to in his recent interview.

This big budget thing is an obsession and means nothing. You need a plan and to trust the manager to carry it out.

 

Appetite for what is there? By paying more what will happen on the pitch?

The players will suddenly think “hang on, the fans are paying more, we better play better?” Means nothing

 

oh really? I've not explained that? My most recent post on the topic (which is one of several posts addressing the question) was this one:

"a large proportion of our fan base are only prepared to pay mediocre prices, watching mediocre football, in a mediocre league which is as far as I'm concerned an inherent acceptance of mediocrity. This i feel, for obvious reasons, is holding us back"

What are you disputing here , that cheap tickets aren't a major reason we get so many fans in the stadium? We had roughly 17,500 fans paying £149 or less in 2015/16, 19,000 paying the same price the season after and 14,000 paying 150 or less this season at the back of relegation. You're in dream land if you think we'd achieve close to those figures at double the price. A large proportion of our fans are only willing to watch cheap football. Fact.

 

@Bronco

Are people from Bradford all losers?

As much as you try to argue against the statement Bradford is a city that is so far behind the 8 ball that it is no longer even a point that can be debated. As a comment on its inhabitants it is harsh, as a comment on the town it is true.

I am originally from Bradford (West Bowling) but other than VP on match days wild horses wouldn't get me to come into the city.

I don't know if this sums the place up but I recently worked (for a short while) for one of Bradfords major employers and was absolutely astounded during the induction day that they brought someone in and held a session on personal hygiene. There was even a portion covering 'How to wash your hands when you have been to the toilet'. I have worked all over the world for many companies, small and large, and have NEVER come across this. You may try to dismiss this but for me it speaks to the nature of Bradford and its population. There was clearly felt that there was a need to have this as part of their induction program. I was disturbed and a little offended. However if I stop and look at the place I can see why it was felt necessary.

Bradford is a depressed, dirty, backward city without much going for it.

Bradford City are always going to struggle in this environment and where we are based (Manningham) doesn't help. Maybe time for major changes? Time to leave VP and move to the outskirts of Bradford?

Having said all that, I support the team, I buy my season ticket and I will be there today as I brush off 2018/19 and look forward to 2019/20.

 

Am I right in saying that Bradford was a better city than Leeds before the 90's?

Then Leeds just took over and never looked back since.

Bradford people just accept shi@te and make excuses for failure.

Same with Bradford City. It's like Rhodes and the board know that they can put out some statement and that's enough to keep most happy. Bradford Council say no money that's it, no improvement on the City.

The lack of ambition, desire and pride for the City by the people is why it's going backwards all the time.

You're right mate if we had owner with drive he would be looking to move us out of VP now or at least looking to buy it.No!

It's no shock we're in div 2 next season. Everything smacks of failure.

 

No. Leeds has always been the bigger and better of the two the whole of my life, so over 40 years.

 

And still, you haven't made a point.

 

Point is stop letting people walk all over you.

Don't be fooled.

 

I'm challenging this comment "There’s winners and losers in life and unfortunately the vast majority of people in Bradford are losers" I'll ask again how does someone define that statement ?.
Your'e above does not make the vast majority losers, nor you a winner.

 

How are you 'not letting them'?

That's the question.

That's the point.

Do you know the difference between effective constructive criticism and waffling rhetoric?

We get it - you want better - but bitching and moaning on here isn't going to get us anywhere.

 

Pretty much yes. Increased revenue would allow us to have bigger budgets and improve our infrastructure. Both which will give us a better chance of sustained success.

A large proportion of our fans are not prepared to pay higher prices for better football. This is a clear lack of ambition and an acceptance of being a small, tinpot, mediocre football club. To make it clear, the word acceptance isn't being used in context of activley wanting, but to be tolerant of. Is that what's causing the confusion here, because I'm otherwise utterly baffled at how you are failing to grasp such a basic statement.

No, what's actually happened is that I was responding to a post that thought the mediocrity loving on here is miniscule and gets overplayed. I disagreed with it and gave a few examples to disprove this notion by providing a list of Rahic loving posts, aswell as citing that Kai Bruenkar thread.

I was then asked how the mediocrity loving i was pointing had any influence on the clubs success and have explained why such attitudes can hold us back-about 120 times. (not striving for success, not being prepared to pay more than £6 a game to watch us play etc etc). This notion was backed up by the simple fact that actually, we dont, in practice, have enough fans prepared to pay top prices and this stems from the lack of ambition/acceptance of mediocrity iv'e talked about. I dont expect you agree with me on everything, but it was all very easy to follow if you were prepared to do so.

All youve done is put words into my mouth and twisted everything that's bee written.

Poor management and board room level decisions play a big role in the success of a football club. So do finances. It took us one of the highest league 2 budgets in 2012/13 to finally get promoted. This budget allowed us bring in the likes of Mcardle, Jones etc..

 

Absolutely spot on

 

Agree with this apart from the obvious. The prices for next season have already been set and 14k have already bought at that price. Are you going to ask the club to contact each of us and inform that the price has gone up?

 

I’m clearly disputing the flaw in your argument. A large number of fans signed up on the back of a couple of Wembley visits and success. Yes, the tickets were cheap, but you simply do not know how many of them would renew at £200 - £250.

How many fans turned up and paid full match day prices to watch our cup games during our successful runs? The appetite is there if there is a product on the pitch worth paying for.

 

TBF I work for a major company in Leeds and following the norovirus outbreaks, we had this added to our ‘training’. We get also provided antibacterial wipes and gel.

Does that make Leeds a dirty city too (and not just a dirty football club)?

 

Yet you’ve renewed and continue to make noises towards the board but have done nothing about it.

We are where we are because of YOU @Fordy117. You talk a good game but you’re worse than the rest of us..!

 

Bradford was much better for a night out in late 70s and early 80s