Election 2019 (with Prediction Poll)

Can you not argue though that once you lose an election, the parameters shift and that makes a manifesto near meaningless to stick to?

On the topic of manifestos, the Conservative manifesto was hardly a beacon of truth either, they scrapped bits of that even before the election.

 

Yes losing does not help but voting against your own manifesto pledges even in opposition can give no confidence they would honour them in power

 

Piss weak stuff this.

 

But at least factual,

 

Sure, nothing about it is at least untrue. Pablo Neruda isn’t seen as controversial.

Theresa May wore a Frida Kahlo bracelet to a Tory party conference speech. She must surely be a communist.

 

She may wore a bracelet because she like the design, But Pablo was a well known life long communist where Frida Kahlo was more celebrated as a feminist by the LGBT community

 

He is quoting a communist cheer leader. It just adds more weight to the argument.

I also bet you are denial about his links, apologies and sympathies with well known terrorist groups.

 

What's wrong with communism?

 

The same things that are wrong with fascism. Plus the extra hundreds of millions of deaths due to Communist regimes.

It is alarming and worrying you asked that.

 

The ideals of communism are bent by humans and usually by murderous dictators. We're not a very pleasant species all things considered. It's not communism that's the problem, it's us.

 

I don’t see the problem with either and it smacks of nitpicking to see otherwise I think.

Pablo Neruda though these days is undoubtedly best known as a poet. That said, Neruda supported whoever he supported, it’s barely relevant - especially for someone who lived the life he did as part of one of the few socialist parties to come to power within a liberal democracy, ousted only by a coup.

 

bedroom tax, food banks, universal credit, council cutbacks, nhs waiting lists, zero police on the streets, broken probation service, bodged privatisation of east coast mainline, increasing rates of homeless, russian money, russian influence, british citizens imprisoned in iran, 33,000 nurses short, austerity in general

Thats what the tories did. Im not voting labour but thats what the tories did and all you lot can argue about is if a quote from a poet means we will be communist under corbyn.

 

For an educated man you have a way with words.

 

And i though you were above petty insults?

 

Insult......just highlighting your unnecessary comment to fellow board members who are expressing their views.

 

To be fair Trev i don't think any of the parties honour their manifestos. Not worth the paper they are printed on.

 

This time round the claims in the 'manifestos' leading up to the election are better than ever. Tories boasting they will set on 20,000 police when in truth they got rid of more than that, Corbyn promising free this, free that while Swinson goes with the old chestnut of 'sticking a penny on income tax', yeah that'll get the voters flocking to her gaff.

 

I can't stand Tony Blair these days but Labour did a pretty good job of honouring the 1997 manifesto in his first term
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/1961522.stm
79% fully met, 6.1% partly met, 1.3% on course, 4.4% debatable.