Election 2019 (with Prediction Poll)

I vote on what matters to me.... Under this conservative government I have had constant employment, a relatively good level of income which with hard work can improve, my dad received brilliant care from the NHS during his fight with terminal cancer. In general life is working for me and that is what my vote will reflect. Why should I change my vote?

 

Think you need to learn what communism means.

McDonnell brought the little red book into parliament as part of what was clearly an, albeit crap, political stunt.

As to the relationships to other communists, does this mean that they in fact are those people? Thatcher was ostensibly close friends with the murdering General Pinochet, but that didn’t make her a militaristic dictator. Do you not think that if he were a communist then perhaps the Tories might be going with that as a campaign line?

They’ve released an entire manifesto this morning, which isn’t remotely communist. That’s what Labour propose to change the country.

 

I can also attest to much of the above. From a personal perspective, it hasn’t been all that bad for myself.

But politics and changing the country is more than just myself. There are millions for whom austerity has caused an immense amount of problems and, personally, I don’t see that as having been a fair way to run the country. And that’s before we get to the fact that for the past 9 years we’ve seen little in terms of productivity growth.

That said, from an ideology perspective, it’s perfectly fine to disagree with that. It’s just far better to do it by using to the facts and saying ‘I think that way of doing things is better’ rather than resorting to wild swings.

 

By increasing taxes mate, just like Labour always do. Reducing the threshold for paying 45% tax from the current salary of £150k to £80k and introducing a super tax of 50% for people earning £125k.

Massive tax burdens for successful people who have worked hard to be able to afford a holiday home

No incentive for successful people to strive higher in their careers. Never mind, they can take solace in working at McDonalds or stacking shelves at Lidl for £10 per hour

 

Think you need to read my posts and comprehend better - I said they are communists 'masked' as socialists so their manifesto has zero to do with it.

Johnson, Gove et al have called them 'Marxists' for years now. Look up Karl Marx and learn....

 

They can spout out exactly what they want because they will not gain power.

They will never be held accountable for their election promises so brainwashing folk into believing unworkable policies are actually workable is the best they can hope for = get a few extra seats and prevent a Tory majority.

 

And Marxism isn’t communism in any case, so the comment stands.

It’s playground politics that dilutes the discourse. Speaking of bubble politics, terms like Marxism are unrelatable to the general public. If you disagree with Labour’s stance, that’s fine, put a case against it and people will generally listen.

 

There will always be folk who vote Labour because their Dad did. Just the way it is.

 

There are 3 countries which are widely recognised as Marxist-Leninist states. China, Cuba and Vietnam. Don't forget the USSR either.

These parties are supporting Labour next month:

Alliance for Workers' Liberty
Communist Party of Britain
Communist Party of Great Britain (Provisional Central Committee)
Left Unity
New Communist Party of Britain
Socialist Party (England and Wales)
Socialist Resistance
Socialist Workers Party Trade Unionist
Socialist Coalition

A cauldron of far left hatred.

 

What do you mean, no incentive? It's a 45% tax (still less than it is in most countries), so people's take home pay will still increase as their salary does. Isn't that an incentive? Not to mention the huge investment in public services it will fund, which will benefit the entire country.

 

I actually totally agree, there’s a huge difference between a million and a billion and people do struggle to comprehend it. That’s why the Conservatives have had a lot of success by diluting those numbers for public understanding that Labour have always struggled to do.

People understand things like ‘that’s £2,400 less in your pay packet’ in a way that ‘we need 40,000 more nurses’ or ‘an extra £1.6bn a year for mental health’ just won’t resonate.

 

Not sure I trust them with regards immigration, I can hear Theresa May now predicting the Conservatives would reduce immigration to "sustainable levels", at the time the net immigration figures were 320,000 yet only 100,000 were EU citizens who had free movement, the vast majority of the 220,000 were Pakistan, India etc.
Having said the above I certainly wouldn't trust Labour with regards immigration.

 

I've highlighted part of your reply Dionysus which sums up precicesly why Labour won't get my vote. 4 day weeks and nationalising broadband sound like wild swings to me!

But as I say I appreciate politics and changing the country goes beyond myself and I do believe we need some reforms on policing, social housing and immigration but I vote for what I feel is best for me and my family so as it is Conservatives will get my vote.

 

That’s fair enough, and certainly Labour’s plan is optimistic to say the least.

On the 4 day week, if it were to go to plan and productivity increases through automation and technology come to pass, then we effectively have the choice of whether to spend that extra time continuing to work, or to choose to benefit economically from that extra resource, or to choose to enjoy a more beneficial work life balance.

Personally I would opt for the latter, and this debate has been going on since the industrial revolution when the weekend effectively began. We’re not in that place just yet though, and it’s a 10 year plan so more of a signal of intent than an immediate imposition.

 

Thats true - May was abysmal though. Lets hope lessons were learn't. Boris has pledged a points system to take place...

 

At the Labour manifesto launch, Corbyn quoted the poet Pablo Neruda...

“As the writer Pablo Neruda wrote so beautifully: ‘You can cut all the flowers but you cannot keep Spring from coming’.”

Neruda is one of history’s most famous Stalin supporters, having written....

“To be men! That is the Stalinist law! We must learn from Stalin”

Lovely.

 

Why believe Labour manifestos ? They did not honour the last one so why do it now? Gullible springs to mind the left always chasing dreams that Labour politicians have no intention of putting in to practice