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From a relatively impartial view it seems to me that Conservatives have nailed their views on Brexit to the mast. Liberals have nailed their views on Brexit to the mast and the various leaver/remain parties have nailed their views to the mast.

The only party that seems like it changes its mind as often as the weather up here in queensbury is Labour.

I get that people vote one particular party, well, just because they do but I honestly don't see even one particularly redeeming feature of Jeremy Corbyn.

Maybe I'm mistaken but the bloke is massively unlikable, hugely hypocritical and completely erratic in his parties views. Although anyone that holds Diane Abbott in such a high esteem must be just the slightest bit imbalanced.

 

Several of our MPs scandalously fiddled expenses for years and have never been properly punished.

 

Benefit fraud is less than 2% of the amount paid, ( 1.4% after recoveries ) It is also balanced out by the fact that 1% was underpaid to claimants, So in reality benefit fraud is negligible but used by politicians as a tool that they know the public are gullible on. Tax fraud is another matter it is hugely more than benefit fraud

 

I agree but tax fraud is huge compared to benefit fraud, It just seems we pick on the poorest to expose it denigrating them rather than the people who cheat on tax which seems to be ignored, The mum of two kids on benefits is paid a few quid on her claim it will be all over the papers and media, A rich person cheats on his tax and it rarely gets reported to the same extent, You yourself pay more tax to cover tax cheats but do the same in attacking the same amount of benefit fraud and not the huge amount we all have to pay to tax cheats

 

I must admit, I can’t sleep at night worrying about what might happen if Mike Ashley, Philip Green and Richard Branson lose a few quid.

 

Corbyns wife ( multi millionaire ) is under investigation for paying slave wages to workers on her Mexican coffee plantations . Not my main point really , all politicians are in it for themselves , all very rich , all money grabbers , all out of touch with the general public . Brilliant isn't it , all the money to be ploughed into various public bodies , all in time for the next GE . I live in a Labour area , its been Labour since the vikings invaded , no investment for years , voted 68% to leave , yet the sitting Labour MP does not recognise the referendum result . The Con- servatives are unelectable yet they will win this seat . The Lib -dems are a joke , most round me work at Sellafield , the new proposed power station is on the back burner . The Lib - Dems have raised objections to a new coal seam ( employing 500 + ) saying they are totally against it . 500 + jobs in my area would be a god send , totally out of touch . This country is at a crossroads which 20 years ago i could not have foreseen , we will never be re- united due to the deep entrenchment of voters ( Brexit etc) . The political ruling class have caused this mess , they dont think the country exists north of Watford , these divisions have been a result of previous governments ( which ever party ) ignoring the north . The genie is out of the bottle , the current GE is exposing many MPs and prospective MPs for what they really are.

 

Your comment ‘not neccesarily expressly racist’ is a good debate point, especially in world where certain agenda led folk are looking for a racial angle in pretty much every day life. And a knock on effect of this is precisely the ‘abuse’ that Diane Abbott recieves. Firstly no one has differentiated between people who dislike Abbott for her incompetence and people who dislike her because of the colour of her skin, what happens is everyone is thrown into the same pot. And that pot has racism written all over, despite the fact no one has a clue how many of those people actually harbour racist views.
Its a dangerous precedent where people are having to justify they are not racist even though there is no direct evidence to suggest they are orher than been thrown in with everyone else. I don’t dispute there are some that will harbour racist thoughts towards Diane Abbott and other black MPs, the number cannot be directly correlated with the number of complaints against these MPs, this can only be done when bonafide evidence of racism can be proved.
My guess which i also can’t prove is that the compaints made against Abbott are more to do with the fact she’s as thick as mince at times.

 

Still peddling this tired myth?
Labour did not almost bankrupt the country. Labour paid back record amounts of government debt.
The global banking crash caused the last recession.
Austerity was a calculated political decision taken by Osborne and Cameron (under cover of the lie about Labour nearly bankrupting the country) in order to smash the public sector as hard and as long as possible.
Every other developed country abandoned austerity very quickly, which is why they all recovered from the global recession years before we did.

 

I'm the same, council estate, broken home etc and I'm doing alright largely down to being reasonably bright so I could always pass exams without too much effort. Pretty lucky for me. The other thing in my favour was a decent upbringing and a bit of culture here and there. Visits to museums, trips to the theatre, cinema, days out to new places, playing games with my parents and siblings, eating together at the table, baking. Wholesome family life you might say despite divorce and what that brings with it. I try and do these things with my kids now as I'm sure lots of people do.

Lots of kids don't have that right now. Lots of the parents of these kids didn't either. So you have kids starting school and they're already miles behind their peers because they don't know about manners and taking turns. They don't know simple things like milk comes from a cow because nobody talks to them. They don't have the patience to listen to instructions or the resilience to stick at a task because it isn't as easy as watching a screen. They can't read body language or faces because they don't get spoken to enough. You might find one or 2 like this in a class or there might be 25 in some areas. Postcode lottery of life. Have you seen the life expectancy of the different Bradford postcodes?

To enrich the whole society we need to make steps to stop this cycle of poverty. New Labour's Children's Centres were fantastic and they've gone with austerity. A generation let down. Knife crime among the young is up and investment in youth services is down. It's all linked. Poverty leads to crime, drugs etc and that impacts the whole society.

There's no way there's ever going to be a perfect world or even a perfect UK but I'd rather at least try to make a difference to wider society.

 

It’s a poor show when the likes of anti-semitism and islamophobia are seen as political weapons on either side. And they are, by both parties.

It denatures the seriousness of the issue and toxifies the debate to the point of a worthless token that worsens society. A lot of this election campaign has been in that vein and it’s dreadful. I’ve not known an election this bad natured in my lifetime. Either care about these things all the time, or don’t.

 

The vile abuse over social media and recent protests show the modern left for exactly what they are...

And these deluded imbeciles wonder why their politics are rejected time and time again.

 

Granted,there are valid queries about Corbyn, his policies,how he plans to implement them and if his outlook is one that can take this country forward. He certainly isn't the anti Semitic, terrorist sympathising, incompetent fool the press make him out to be though. The U.K. Media, of which the majority is owned by right wing billionaires, simply see him as a threat to their right wing ideologies and there are far too many naive people out there who fall for the bullshit.

 

I'd go further, the comments from Lawrence were far more damaging than the ones from Rees Mogg. RM's comments were insensitive but his opinion. Lawrence's comments were simple yet ever growing case of desperately looking for racial content in an incident where there clearly was none, that is as dangerous as the racists they claim to be fighting against.

 

Cost will be horrendous in to hundreds of billions and may well bankrupt the country, You will still have to pay your telephone line provider for the line to your house if you want a home phone, Who will compensate Virgin, O2, TalkTalk, Sky for the loss of business and the thousands of job losses?
Of all the things we need to spend money on out of taxpayers money this is the daftest, They claim increasing taxes on the likes of Amazon and facebook etc will pay for it despite having spent this money in other daft plans probably 3 times over,
BTW, Labour want to remain in the EU and under EU competition law this would be illegal, So a fake proposal

 

I vote on what matters to me.... Under this conservative government I have had constant employment, a relatively good level of income which with hard work can improve, my dad received brilliant care from the NHS during his fight with terminal cancer. In general life is working for me and that is what my vote will reflect. Why should I change my vote?

 

My favourite is how we only have 24 hours to save the NHS. How this line comes out every election, how the NHS is going to be sold to the USA and how any problems with the NHS are referred to as being from a different Labour party that handed out massive PFI contracts, how all the problems are the fault of the Tories even when the SNP run the NHS in Scotland and Labour run the NHS in Wales. How one boy photographed on the floor is treated as the norm when it's anything but, it's like saying MidStaffs was the norm under Labour.

Not one grown up conversation has taken place on the NHS by any side.

 

It's how far Labour has fallen that is the story.

 

They still don't get it do they? Its people like her who are the heart of the problem, they've completely ruined the whole ethos of the Labour party. Its actually quite sad to see the demise of what should be the go to party for the working classes. Instead we end up watching bumbling idiots like Corbyn and Abbott running the party like the chuckle brothers.