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The political ruling class in the London protective bubble have lost touch with the voters , put as much spin on it as you like it's been a disaster for the mainstream parties , maybe 1 day it will sink in how much the electorate of this country detest these trough gobboling self seeking money pit dwellers .

 

Farage was 100% correct to abandon UKIP and form a new party, he correctly concluded that it was best to campaign on a single policy issue i.e Brexit rather than allow more divisive issues to enter the party like UKIP did. He seems to consistently out maneuver people. It wouldn't surprise me if the new Conservative leader entered some kind of pact with him to reach a solution on Brexit and hold a decisive general election where they don't compete against each other.

 

I work at an automotive consumable wholesaler - we sell into both retail and OEMs. Who did you work for? You're telling me multi nationial manufacturers can't identify parts on a critical path and look how to avoid that with working a stock?? That's why human relationships in supply chain will never go away, it is not a difficult conversation to have with a distributor/manufacturer on how to manage that critical stock, what parts weren't stocked or you couldn't stock?

 

See the judge has thrown out the Boris case, as most right minded people thought it would, or there might have been several ex MP and PMs attending future trails for also telling lies, Blair, Brown, Cameron and Osborne for a start.
Common sense prevails.

 

Be interesting to see how our European friends in the likes of France, Gernany, Sweden, Netherlands, Belgium, Austria etc and the likes retire their elderly, and what pensions they recieve.
Most of my working life was within the foundry industry and how the hell those guys could be expected to continue working untill they are 70/75 years old is beyond comprehension, sitting behind a computer till your the above age is one thing but to suggest manual workers continue needs serious looking into.

 

The benefit freeze introduced in 2010 freezing most benefits since then has contributed massively to push people into poverty and homelessness, Take £40 a week off the poorest in society and they will really struggle to feed and clothe their families, Take the same amount from the wealthy and they will not only not miss it but complain about the benefits the poor receive

 

I think this is spot on.

I have quite regular contact with the police, as I'm part of a local residents group. What they have to deal with is terrifying and the cuts in police numbers are having a massive impact. Whatever might be said about policing differently etc we are chronically short of police numbers.

A legacy of Teresa May's time as Home Secretary. The Tories used to be the party of law and order. Not any more.

 

Apologies for going off topic but there is a constructive debate to be had about the role of the police in our society in this ay and age. You could increase police numbers by double but unless they have a clear directive with the public about what their end product is i don't see the point.

 

Both major parties have agreed that as part of the leaving process that workers rights will be protected and will be the same as those in the EU, This guarantee was made to parliament as part of the process and will be part of the leaving process even if no deal

As for deregulated countries Singapore has better healthcare, better education and a package of workers right including holidays and sick benefits and in work protection, The work benefits are not up to EU standards yet but then neither were ours for quite a period

 

The big question is where is all the money we pay in taxing going? We seem to be paying more tax and getting less and less of it back.

But this isn't just Tory cuts. All the money we pay IS getting spent somewhere. It just doesn't seem to be getting spent on the likes of us.

 

For me, this is the only way through this.

The can of worms was opened with the referendum, it needs to be closed with another. It is easy to dredge up quotes from key members of the Leave campaign who took this view in 2016.

I don’t want to leave either, but I will absolutely accept the result of a referendum that asks specific questions which informs HOW we leave the EU, if that is what the majority want to do now. I don’t think a general election solves it, an election vote encompasses too much beyond the specific Brexit issue, however much it might be focussed on Brexit. If the outcome is not leaving the EU, I can then have sympathy with those who feel their referendum vote was ignored and also concerns about how the democratic process has worked.

 

Hopefully Macron has a minute or two spare in between beating his own people up.

 

No amount of justification from the remain camp can extract themselves from the undemocratic accusations. I have read reams and reams of justifications, horror stories about what is going to happen to the economy. Not one person has convinced me that our country is about to go down the plug hole. I fully expect there to be disruption, that inevitable. The EU will continue to be obstructive until such time as they are fully onboard we are most certainly leaving. There are attempts to make this as complicated as possible. In order to confuse ppl. It is quite simple, we voted leave, with or without a deal. Every single opposition party voted to reject every deal that has been before Parliament. Those that voted remain, have to accept that they lost the vote, we cannot have contorted explanations as to why they are behaving in an undemocratic way.

 

I’ve been saying it for a while. Give the ‘people’ what they want. They will never stop banging on about how fûcking wonderful it could be, until they actually see it’s shite.

 

You despair at the likes of Johnson and Rees Mogg then you look at the opposition with Corbyn, Abbott and Lammy etc. We really are scraping the bottom of the barrel in British politics.

 

Not true. I'm pretty comfortable financially. I don't covet riches. That doesn't stop me from seeing how the very rich are able to feather their own nests and perpetuate a system that keeps poor people poor.

 

Everything’s just become way too tribal these days - and the cost of that has been any level of nuanced or reasoned debate. Nobody is willing to concede anything to anyone and it’s just a pissing match.

Sad, really, but the political discourse has been poisoned. I don’t think our electoral system does much to help in this. I’m not saying it’s a magic bullet, but if we moved to a more proportional representation like system then at least we’d have to get used to talking to each other and making compromise. We are where we are at the moment in large part due to neither side willing to show any compromise in fear of losing votes.

 

More chance of a flock of pigs flying over Westminster.
The idea that the EU would change the backstop in response to a No Deal threat is just unicorn thinking. The EU doesn't want a No Deal Brexit, but it wants a massive open back door into its market far less. It was never going to happen and Johnson knew that perfectly well, which is why he has come up with no serious proposals and hasn't even put together a negotiating team. His talk of wanting a deal is just window dressing. He wants No Deal but wants to blame it on the EU and the rebel Tory MPs.
Johnson is turning the Tory Party into a far right sect. The attitudes of most of the current cabinet are frightening. If that lot get a majority in the forthcoming election we are in for dark days that will make Thatcher look like a kindly aunt. It's bizarre that so many ordinary people support them when they are going to make their lives a misery given half a chance.

 

The problem was the weakness of May when she accepted the terms of the agreement from the EU, Had we at that stage insisted on agreeing a trade deal before we signed article 50 instead of accepting that the political agreement and terms of leaving be agreed first, Had we insisted on bi-lateral talks or doing the trade deal first then the backstop would not have been needed, May was weak and at heart a remainer and the country is now paying the price of that stupidity of accepting the EU leaving agenda , Boris is getting a lot of stick but repairing the damage of the previous prime minister is a near on hopeless task when coupled with MPs who will not accept the referendum result and a Labour party determined to wreck as much damage as possible

 

The fact is that May never even attempted to change the agenda sent by the EU, She fell in to the trap they set for her and she did not even attempt to change it, It was not EU bullying that made her sign a terrible agenda it was her own weakness and stupidity, At the time there was no pressure to agree such an agreement and we should have at least attempted to change it more in our favour