Quantcast
  1. Welcome to Bantam Talk

    Why not register for an account?

    Not only can you then get fully involved in the community but you also get fewer ads

  2. Premium Membership now Available


    Please see this thread for more details

    Dismiss Notice

Brexit

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by Park bantam, Jun 14, 2018.

  1. trevor

    trevor Squad Player
    P.L.22/23 Entrant Supporter

    Joined:
    Apr 9, 2018
    Messages:
    5,844
    Likes Received:
    7,655
    Things will change after the Tories get a new leader, The one thing that MPs put above all other is to remain an MP in any election and the EU vote has changed things radically for some, The remain Tories will look at there constituency voters and the fact they voted for Brexit so unless change they may be out next time, The Labour remain MPs from the north will see the huge swing of Labour voters to the Brexit party and think the same that unless they change they will not get elected either, So both may change from remain.
    Those thinking nothing has changed in Parliament are wrong. And with the Brexit Party now saying they will stand in every seat in any general election all bets are off
     
    #841 trevor, May 27, 2019
    Last edited: May 27, 2019
    Tony Wilkinson and Bronco like this.
  2. Bronco

    Bronco Star Player
    P.L.22/23 Entrant P.L.23/24 Entrant Supporter Euro 2020 P.L. 20/21 Top 30

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2018
    Messages:
    37,924
    Likes Received:
    40,929
    A woman on this very minute saying exactly that, we are a divided nation and we should be looking to "the middle ground",
    We are a divided nation after every general election, but the losing voters accept they can change the government every 5 years unlike the EU, the UKIP party need not waste anymore money on standing for parliament of the future they have served there purpose in getting Cameron to offer a referendum.
    Who know what the brexit party will stand for apart from the obvious, that will become apparent in time and it might be unacceptable to a Labour voter., but they have to walk before they can run, I wonder if the next Tory leader will dare to bring the brexit party onboard with regards their input to our leaving of Europe.
     
  3. Bronco

    Bronco Star Player
    P.L.22/23 Entrant P.L.23/24 Entrant Supporter Euro 2020 P.L. 20/21 Top 30

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2018
    Messages:
    37,924
    Likes Received:
    40,929
    So very true they will be boarding there arses up, this is the reply I got from my MP Judith Cummings
    You replied on Fri 11/01/2019 23:02

    CUMMINS, Judith <judith.cummins.mp@parliament.uk>
    Fri 11/01/2019 17:03

    Dear Mr Hillam,

    Thank you for contacting me recently about Britain’s exit from the European Union.

    A majority of people in Bradford South voted to leave the European Union (EU) in the June 2016 referendum and I respect the choice they made.

    I believe, however, that the current Brexit deal the Prime Minister has agreed with the EU represents a complete failure. The deal will not protect jobs, workplace rights or environmental standards. It will not ensure frictionless trade for UK businesses. It will leave us with no say over future rules and no certainty for the future - I believe it is the worst of all worlds.

    As it stands I will vote against Theresa May’s deal when it comes before parliament.

    This is a matter of the greatest national importance and as your elected representative in Parliament, I welcome your views and comments throughout this process. Thank you once again for writing to me and for sharing your views.

    Yours sincerely,

    [​IMG]

    Judith Cummins MP
    Labour Member of Parliament for Bradford South


    Just love the "I believe" comment as well as the last paragraph "This is a matter of the greatest national importance and as your elected representative in Parliament, I welcome your views and comments throughout this process" she should have followed it with, but as your representative in Parliament I will ignore your letter and your support and vote as I'm whipped on the party.
     
    trevor likes this.
  4. Offside

    Offside Impact Sub

    Joined:
    Apr 14, 2018
    Messages:
    1,654
    Likes Received:
    2,910
    The political ruling class in the London protective bubble have lost touch with the voters , put as much spin on it as you like it's been a disaster for the mainstream parties , maybe 1 day it will sink in how much the electorate of this country detest these trough gobboling self seeking money pit dwellers .
     
    Tony Wilkinson, Bronco and trevor like this.
  5. Tony Wilkinson

    Tony Wilkinson Squad Player
    P.L.22/23 Entrant P.L.23/24 Entrant Supporter P.L. 20/21 Top 10

    Joined:
    Apr 9, 2018
    Messages:
    6,692
    Likes Received:
    8,878
    Hey up Offy, welcome home, where've yer bin....
     
    Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...
    Bronco likes this.
  6. trevor

    trevor Squad Player
    P.L.22/23 Entrant Supporter

    Joined:
    Apr 9, 2018
    Messages:
    5,844
    Likes Received:
    7,655
    If we had used our traditional first past the post then Brexit would have won nearly every seat, In 9 out of the 11 regions they were the largest vote winners
     
    #846 trevor, May 27, 2019
    Last edited: May 27, 2019
  7. Clity

    Clity Fringe Player

    Joined:
    Oct 24, 2018
    Messages:
    1,162
    Likes Received:
    812
    Less people voted for BP than 2 remain parties im affraid.
     
  8. Clity

    Clity Fringe Player

    Joined:
    Oct 24, 2018
    Messages:
    1,162
    Likes Received:
    812
    Yet less people voted for the BP than Greens and LDs.
     
  9. Clity

    Clity Fringe Player

    Joined:
    Oct 24, 2018
    Messages:
    1,162
    Likes Received:
    812
    No Bronco its not about what might happen. Its a simple question. If it goes badly and we have people losing jobs, homes etc. under a nodeal who will you then blame? Yourself and others who voted for it or the EU and remainer?

    If it all goes wrong and we have to rejoin the EU with the Euro and Schengen then you no dealers will truly never be forgiven by the moderates and future generations.
     
  10. trevor

    trevor Squad Player
    P.L.22/23 Entrant Supporter

    Joined:
    Apr 9, 2018
    Messages:
    5,844
    Likes Received:
    7,655
    Post the figures, Prove that point, Brexit share was 31.7%, Lib Dems 18.5% and greens 11.1% making a total combined share of 29.6% Less than Brexit

    Also what we do know is that 31.7% who voted Brexit wanted Brexit, There is no way to tell how many voted LD or Green who wanted remain as there dedicated followers would have voted that way regardless, Just seen people on Tv who voted LD but were Brexiters but had always voted LD and lifetime Green voters
     
    #850 trevor, May 27, 2019
    Last edited: May 27, 2019
  11. Clity

    Clity Fringe Player

    Joined:
    Oct 24, 2018
    Messages:
    1,162
    Likes Received:
    812
    Clutching at straws methinks?

    Look...

    upload_2019-5-27_15-40-56.png

    Just add up LD and GNs alone without even considering the SNP. Its significantly higher than the brexit vote. But are you going to deny these facts as project fear too?

    You cannot argue that 2 LD votes were leave voters because my dad and my mate are remainers who voted for labour so your point works both ways.

    The truth is that less people turned up for this election from the leave side than the remain side. Thats probably your best argument, logically speaking. Another referendum would be just as close as the last it seems.
     
  12. Bronco

    Bronco Star Player
    P.L.22/23 Entrant P.L.23/24 Entrant Supporter Euro 2020 P.L. 20/21 Top 30

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2018
    Messages:
    37,924
    Likes Received:
    40,929
    What a strange reply, first you tell me "No Bronco its not about what might happen", then go on to quote "If it all goes wrong" as I say no precedence to get any guide lines so you believe it will be a disaster leaving to trade with 80% of the world where as many are saying the 5th largest economy in the world can do better without the EU legislation.
    Scunthorpe steel works being an example, the government tell us they can not bail them out because of EU laws another good reason to leave this club.
     
    #852 Bronco, May 27, 2019
    Last edited: May 27, 2019
  13. Bronco

    Bronco Star Player
    P.L.22/23 Entrant P.L.23/24 Entrant Supporter Euro 2020 P.L. 20/21 Top 30

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2018
    Messages:
    37,924
    Likes Received:
    40,929
    Yet listening to the Lib/Dem spokesman today another referendum would have a massive clause missing and not on the voting form,

    "Leave with no deal" talk about stitching the result up.
     
  14. trevor

    trevor Squad Player
    P.L.22/23 Entrant Supporter

    Joined:
    Apr 9, 2018
    Messages:
    5,844
    Likes Received:
    7,655
    Project fear? Brexiters have no fear of self determination it is what builds strong nations, The figures I quoted were from a different website than yours but that is ok and do not forget they are still counting in at least one area,
    BTW it is not unusual in elections to win with less votes, The last Labour win the Tories got more votes and even Trump won with less votes, Its how constituencies work
     
    #854 trevor, May 27, 2019
    Last edited: May 27, 2019
  15. Clity

    Clity Fringe Player

    Joined:
    Oct 24, 2018
    Messages:
    1,162
    Likes Received:
    812
    Sorry for my bad wording.

    Il rephrase

    In a hypothetical situation where remain predictions are correct about nodeal and you have voted for the demise of our country who will be to blame?

    Just answer it FFS. No amount of good will can make your nodeal project any less risky than it is an opportunity. So in the event that you are wrong WTF do we all do? JUST ANSWER IT!!!
     
  16. Fools Gold

    Fools Gold Squad Player
    P.L.22/23 Entrant

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2018
    Messages:
    2,097
    Likes Received:
    4,119
    You mean the majority of the country ?
     
    Bronco likes this.
  17. Clity

    Clity Fringe Player

    Joined:
    Oct 24, 2018
    Messages:
    1,162
    Likes Received:
    812
    My website was the BBC, I checked the numbers against eu websites and the UK parliament site and they are the same. Which trustworthy website are you getting your numbers from again?
     
  18. trevor

    trevor Squad Player
    P.L.22/23 Entrant Supporter

    Joined:
    Apr 9, 2018
    Messages:
    5,844
    Likes Received:
    7,655
    From dpa-infocom it updates every minute, It is the top answer in google, Would never trust the left leaning BBC for fair facts anyway
    https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1CHBF_en-GBGB790GB790&q=2019+european+parliament+election+in+the+united+kingdom&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjFyISO9rviAhWRonEKHcTBCb0Q1QIoBXoECAkQBg&biw=1536&bih=755
     
  19. Clity

    Clity Fringe Player

    Joined:
    Oct 24, 2018
    Messages:
    1,162
    Likes Received:
    812
    Power always wins in the end. All of them stitch up the results once they have the power. You can look at revolution and reformation throughout history and the side with all the power wins.

    Take the communist revolutions of the 20th century as an example. A well off, educated, cultured intelligensia told the people that the elites were against them. Revolution occurs, the poor stay poor but those who fought on the side of the people took power and held it for decades. Lets look at farage and co for a second. He certainly is not one of the people, he certainly is one of the elites. £13,000 rented house, Cars, £450k in donations, ex banker, multicultural family german wife, german kids. The annals of history really do put up warning signs for us but people seem to ignore.
     
  20. Bronco

    Bronco Star Player
    P.L.22/23 Entrant P.L.23/24 Entrant Supporter Euro 2020 P.L. 20/21 Top 30

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2018
    Messages:
    37,924
    Likes Received:
    40,929
    You've had my answer/reply twice, what don't you understand about the unprecedented situation we are guessing, we will thrive in a bigger market eventually, how can we not we have no poor countries to support with ours being the second largest EU contribution, Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Estonia, Finland, Greece, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Malta, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain,to hold us back.
    Here's a good tip my friend when your losing the argument don't start with the expletives it really doesn't add to your point.
     

Share This Page

  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
    Dismiss Notice