Brexit

They have contributed all there working life and still do I pay my share of tax's on my pension contributions why wouldn't I ?.
You'll be an old person one day, I think you have been suckered into the blame the old for everything that's wrong in our society.
Maybe our government should address the NHS visitors who come to the UK get medical attention and pay nothing.

 

Your far from scaring me, with regards the £350m I'm given to believe that is about what the UK contribute to the EU on a weekly basis, and when we leave that will be a saving "that could" be spent on our NHS, that's not hard to understand.

I'm with @Tony Wilkinson when you start your "of which you and your boyos here answered with" it's not worth trying to debate, so its a good day from me.

 

They are literally breaking the system so people like you will do their cheerleading for them. Jeremy Hunt wrote a fecking book on how to do it in this exact way. Theyve shagged dentistry up the arse as well but thats for another debate. It's breaking now because it's been broken. With a proper reorganisation and financial backing it could achieve a lot more, but that would get in the way of letting even more private provision in. Remember this is a govt that privatises literally everything it can regardless of outcomes so why would they be any different with healthcare?

It's all well and good suggesting that till you need 30k to have a baby, or becuase you broke a bone. Get a chronic disease through no fault of your own? UNLUCKY, THAT ISNT COVERED. The leading cause of Bankruptcy in America is medical debt, mark my words you'll see that here if we let the private providers in.

 

The wording on the bus was indeed correct at the time, and probably still is in that it COULD be spent on the NHS and elsewhere but these feckin' remoaners keep bringing it up for some strange reason...

 

im arguing with 3 of you at once and two of you parroted the exact same line, hence the boyos comment. if you're trying to take the moral high ground after tonys big old rope joke then hats off to you for the moral gymnastics there mate.

 

I didn't vote remain, hold tight you for the assumption though.

 

If were arguing our points as leavers of course our comments/replies will be in a similar vain, your jumping way head of yourself with your rope comment I've made no comment on it stop trying to derail the subject.

 

I'd argue posting something like that in the first place derailed the subject. You were quite ready to take your bat and ball home because I used the word boyo, whereas I should just crack on when people are posting stuff like that?

I've debated fairly, passionately yes but I don't go in for insults or abuse. Treat me the same.

 

We'll leave it there.

 

Another question for you Trev, tell me the last privatisation that actually worked?

 

At what point have I insulted or abused you? Please report me if I have and I can discuss it with the mod team. The dude on your side gets to make suicide jokes at me yet I'm not worthy of debate for saying boyo. give your head a shake man.

 

To pretend a country's economy works anything like a household economy is misinformed at best and outright disingenuous at worst. Household budgets are about saving, whereas a countrys economy is about stimulating the flow of capital. Completely different aims.

The 2008 recession was also caused by toxic sub prime mortgage loans given out to pretty much any idiot that asked, we had a lot of exposure to these through certain banks hence why we got hit fairly badly. If you think Labour was responsible for poor/ outright criminal lending choices in US financial institutions I worry.

 

Lets just pick one, The GPO controlled the supply and installation of telephones, Here in the UK you had to wait around 3 to 4 months for a telephone line with no choice of handset or where installed and then had to usually share the line with another customer which meant both could not use together and you could listen to the other customer, After privatisation it became the vibrant industry it has become today with choice and competition,
The fact that useless politicians implemented extremely poor attempts at privatisation by swapping public monopolies for private ones is not the fault of the theory of privatisation which if done genuinely and well brings choice and competition to the market.
BTW The gas board as a state monopoly was even worse!!

 

Northern rock
Reduced capital limits for banks
Poor regulation of the lending limits
Banks financing each other by junk bonds
Lack of control over the financial sector because of the huge tax receipts from these flawed banks

Labour allowed a toxic situation to develop which did not need help from the credit default swap situation in the USA, We suffered yes but had the Labour government not been asleep at the wheel because the money was flooding in to the coffers from the tax then it would not have been half as bad, This plus the fact the government could claim the economy was growing was in fact house price inflation purposely created by not building the houses needed, The Tories have followed the same policy to keep growth positive.

 

No one is suggesting the system used in the USA which as you say is flawed in that it produces the best healthcare in the world if you can afford it or have insurance, But the healthcare in such as Germany, France, Sweden, etc are based on insurance and contributions that have privatisation and competition for services and covers all the population, For instance if you think you have a serious condition in the UK you have to go to the GP ( The gatekeeper to services ) who will recommend you to a consultant which takes a few weeks waiting, You will see his registrar who usually will refer you to the consultant who will then put you on a waiting list for treatment which all in all can take 18 to 20 weeks before treatment begins if your lucky,
Compare this with France or Germany where you go to the Doctor who will refer you direct to the consultant that day who will treat you in around 2/4 weeks in a modern hospital with the latest equipment the NHS can not afford or with drugs that are not allowed to be prescribed because of price on the NHS.
The NHS provides second class service for the masses at a cost of poor healthcare,
Dentistry is "shagged" as you call it because of the NHS, Because it mandates the fees and provision through training places there is little competition, If it was truly a privatised service based on insurance it would benefit everyone,

 

@YungNath Your points about supply chain are interesting, but I can categorically tell you good management and forward planning it's not really an issue is it. If you're aware of your lead times and no there's an increase coming you forward order, if you can't get your product from in the EU what do you do? You source from outside of the EU or find an alternative.

Why do you think it would grind to a halt?

 

Cos the whole just in time delivery network is based on the parts getting here within 72 hours maximum provided the part is available. They dont know what part they'll need till they diagnose the car, so it isn't really possible to forward order beyond what parts are already on automatic batch orders which is literally just standard stuff like wheel nuts etc. It's all designed to work in the shortest amount of time possible, which means its a bit of a delicate process in the sense the delay of setting up alternate supply chains or delivery routes will play havoc with it.

 

Yepp they absolutely did not help matters until they woke up to the scale of the problem. Lax banking regulation was where Labour made mistakes, so whilst they did contribute to say the fault was mainly theirs is inaccurate as they weren't the root cause. Not saying you said that just my stance on things.

 

I work at an automotive consumable wholesaler - we sell into both retail and OEMs. Who did you work for? You're telling me multi nationial manufacturers can't identify parts on a critical path and look how to avoid that with working a stock?? That's why human relationships in supply chain will never go away, it is not a difficult conversation to have with a distributor/manufacturer on how to manage that critical stock, what parts weren't stocked or you couldn't stock?

 

Royal Mail
Trains
Anything handled by Serco, G4S or Capita.

Privatisation in and of itself is no bad thing but its ideological now with no thought to improving the process, just smashing the state. As you alluded to as well, they've essentially just transferred the monopoly to the private sector rather than introducing any genuine consumer choice.