Brexit

A little word with a big meaning that IF. The truth no one knows if it will be good or bad if we leave, but i'll put my bet in that for the vast majority of people it won't make a blind bit of difference leaving or remaining. All we actually do get is both sides speculating using selected researched info to suit their agenda. Even today we've had comments from Alistair Campbell saying Farage will be disappointed with the amount of votes he acquired. See, even when you've received a kicking always make out the other guy came off worse, the world of political spin.

 

I guess the soaking of Farage with milkshake worked. Oh hold on a minute....

 

It's ridiculous RT, I am genuinely fed up with been classed a racist because of my political view of not being scared of not being a part of the EU. I think a large majority feel that way so I think a lot of the remain folk have themselves to blame.

 

Being classed as a racist mate, a classic defence designed to stop debate stone dead. The new buzzword seems to be Nazi, quite comical really because the folk throwing round these sort of accusations have no real thought as to what the words actually mean. Facist is a good one too, chuck in Islamaphobic and Anti semitic, like playing can't win an argument bingo.

 

So unlike Alistar Campbell to give his opinion, about time him and his side kick Blair did one, no time for either.
When Labour Party won a landslide general election victory, the largest in its history the likes of Blair, brown and their spin doctors could have done so much more for the people who got him into power, such a landslide victory that they knew they would have at least two terms in office.

 

As I've posted above the remainers only have them selves to blame, take the deal that was on offer, we are trapped within the customs union that had no exit date, if the Labour party and the Lib/Dems along with the pro EU MPs within the Tory party had voted in favour they would have won by a fair margin, they couldn't even get that right the roof would have fallen in on May but for many that would have been worth it.

 

5,200,000 people voted for a nodeal brexit - 5,900,000 voted to stop brexit.

The politics of our lands as you put it resides in westminster. As soon as a referendum is called which is looking more likely then on those numbers your side loses. You can have your brexit party MEPs, i welcome it, because we will still be in the EU.

 

Using the Electoral calculus if it had been a GE this is how the house of commons would look today :-
Brexit party 446 seats
Labour 93 seats
SNP 56 seats
Lib dems 31 seats
Plaid 5 seats
Greens 1 seat
Conservatives 0 seats

Brexit majority 242 .

So your prediction doesen't really stand up does it .

 

Do you understand the difference between first past the post, prop representation and a binary choice referendum?

 

I would love that to be true if only for the meltdown that ensued afterwards. Cries of 'you were lied to' and 'lets have yet another peoples vote' lol.

 

There is one huge problem to having a second/losers referendum/people's vote/final say,

and that is if Leavers choose to boycott it en masse because of what happened the first time, then it would be worthless second time around.
You can only do it again if both sides agree.

 

Agree, only the remoaners would have any enthusiasm to trudge once more to the polling station...

 

What gets me is all these remainer politicians going on about wanting another referendum/peoples vote and then in the next breath they talk about democracy, maybe somebody should explain to them that there was a democratic vote 3 years ago and the brexiteers won.
We should leave now with no deal.

 

That is what this has all been leading to in a nutshell. Bore the electorate to death and disenfranchise the leave voters.

 

Do you believe its easier to negotiate as a bigger bloc or a smaller one?

Were you aware we could control immigration as much as we wanted at any time as we've never been a part of the Schengen agreement?

Did you want to take back control only to hand it to the Americans?


these are open questions for any brexit people. I'm a lesser spotted person that wont shut you down because we disagree

 

1) Either, depends on what you have to sell/need to buy
2) Yes, another failure of past and present governments
3) Won't happen but preferable than socialist/marxist

 

1) So us alone has the same negotiating power as the EU? In something like IP or creative industries maybe but my issue would be how does leaving the EU give us a better bargaining position in a key industry like manufacturing or even services? What/where is all this profit we're missing out on by being a member?

2) So you realise voting to leave the EU to control immigration is a waste of time as we've had all the powers to do so the entire time, just weak politicians.

3) Americans have already said the NHS and waaay lower food standards will be on the table in any future trade talks. Be careful what you wish for is all I'd say to that cos Donny isnt gonna do a deal thats good for us instead of America is he?

 

Young people are pissed off bronco because this decision is going to affect the young more, just like the recession etc etc. Its already affected me personally in the withdrawl of the Erasmus scheme, I've lost an opportunity to study abroad thanks to this vote amongst other things. A close friend is reliant on medication produced in Europe to live a life that isnt in constant agony and humiliation, yet hes been told there'll be serious issues getting hold of these drugs if we go without a deal which most seem to want. Did you even consider either of those outcomes when you voted?

Also, Farage and the US are making big boy noises about privatising the NHS, so not only would it further damage our job prospects, it would also be taking away something older folks got to enjoy their entire lives free of charge

 

Project fear, we're leaving the European Union, we will still trade with every/any country on the planet...

 

It would be project fear if what I was saying was false. How exactly do we stand to further benefit in terms of increased trading revenue as a result of leaving the EU? Where is this extra money? Of course we'll still trade with the world etc, my question is how would we do this better and more profitably outside of the EU?


At least I've attempted to debate the issue rather than just shouting project fear because I've said something you don't like.