Brexit

Come on you plonker. The BBC will not lie about votes FFS!!! I sat here and watched the counts come in saying numbers for each party. All you have to do is count them up. Or are the electoral commission in on it also?

How can you say you have your head screwed on yet cant trust some numbers on the BBC. It would be so easy to refute the BBC if they lied about it so you really do sound like a tin foil hat conspiracy ejit right now.

 

LOL you sound like Farage

The fact you cannot even countenance that nodeal may go badly in a hypothetical scenario just proves that if it does happen you know that you well and truly fecked up. Theres no one else to blame at that point but yourselves.

Regardless of what you think may or may not happen. There is a HUGE chance that nodeal will go wrong and as a result of your gamble the UK may end up having to give up the pound and lose complete control over our EU borders. You know that may happen just like someone knows they may get cancer from smoking but you choose to do it anyway.

You probably believe all the BS about us doing trade deals and blah blah blah. The truth however is that it could go either way and 9 out of 10 people including our own government show really bad outcomes as a result of nodeal. You dont want to think about it im guessing which is why you wont answer my question.

Ask a remainer what they will do if a nodeal brexit is a success and we say, we will admit we were wrong. We will say ok we have workers rights, we have a strong economy and we have all the benefits that our society has had for 30 years. We were wrong all along.

Somehow i dont see you doing that.

 

And yet even though you have a different point of view I DO NOT INSULT YOU, The figures I gave were different to yours which I did not argue but just said the ones I got from the EU were different by a few degrees, As for the BBC they are known to be left dominated and lean against Brexit, The news is not chosen by events the news you see is decided by producers who choose guests and which content news you will see on TV. On the BBC it is often different from other channels because of this, For example the leaders of the main parties were on the BBC news multiple times in the election run up but Brexit leader Farage was only on twice until Sky news reported the bias and then the BBC had to put him on multiple times to save face but most watchers know they would have preferred to continue with a remain bias

 

What??

Whereas the BBC made brexit happen in the first place.

When the ref was announced brexit was polling at 17%. Then the BBC with their stupid interpretation of impartiality rules gave brexit equal parity with remain. There was no equal parity FFS.

The BBC are run by the Gov who are the most right leaning govt in decades. So im sorry but true analysis of the BBC will show a right lean than a left lean. Maybe you are just so far right anyone who does anything remotely kind is seen as left leaning.

 

Maybe just maybe the remainers thought as Cameron & Osborne obviously did that it would never happen with these dumb-ass electorate, why did they not get out in numbers and make the effort to post their vote, we hear the cry from the young " those old b******s" are stealing our future.
You have to smile when you hear the likes of Corbyn come out with "lets have another peoples vote as during the past 3 years there will be more youngsters able to vote " talk about clutching at straws".

 

The Government has no control over the BBC it is run by an independent board that guarantees freedom of content,
If the Tory government had any control over the BBC they would end it and sell it off if it could, It is and has always been a left leaning organisation as a broadcaster, They bent the election rules to the limit with the brexit party even claiming that Farages appearance on question time counted so they did not have to give him equal news time until Sky pointed out the bias and they quickly changed policy

All media is for sale including the BBC,

 

The ONLY party to stand as a no to Brexit mandate was the Lib - dems , you are presuming the others did too , but of course they didn't . Change UK even gave an interview on the BBC saying they had done very well with no MEPs even near being elected . Liebour and the Con- servatives are finished in politics despite what ever spin they put out they were humiliated . Maybe in future they should listen .

 

You seem to have forgotten the Greens who also stood on a stop brexit mandate.

 

heres a quote from an email they sent out

"A vote for the Green Party on 23rd May is the most powerful vote you can cast if you want to remain in the European Union and take positive action to stop the climate emergency.

With your help, we could elect more Green MEPs than ever before.

Thank you,



Caroline Lucas"

 

How can you say in one sentence the BBC is independent then say all media is for sale including the BBC?

The BBC is run by the govt of the time. The director general answers to the govt its a well known fact.

 

It sells its news media to others and sell its programmes,

 

Have you heard that Man City will not be declared as winners of the premiership, seems that Arsenal, Spurs and Chelsea got more points so LONDON are the real champions....

 

You have avoided the point again. Why cant you answer it?

 

You do realise that the EU is a democracy not a sport. That most of the EU is made of coalitions. Also that EU elevctions are not a referendum so even if remain got more votes it means nothing. Just as much as the brexit party winning means nothing. The true power lies in westminster not in the EU parliament. Which is quite ironic seen as though our parliament was meant to have no power.

Also just to prove your analagy wrong - man city combined there points with liverpool so its a victory for the north

 

2014: EU elections, UKIP won.

2015: GE, Tories won on a EU referendum manifesto

2016: EU Ref, Leave won

2017: GE, 80% of people voted for parties with manifestos to leave the EU

2019: EU elections, 5 week old Brexit Party won by a landslide

 

Landslide - they didnt even win 50% of the seats. It was a great performance thats all.

The BP did do well its without doubt the best performance of a party so new in its life. Though it is indicative of a future referendum that if I was you I would be campaigning against. If this was a vote for nodeal then you lost on numbers. in a referendum of remain vs nodeal you probably dont have a chance.

 

Farage was 100% correct to abandon UKIP and form a new party, he correctly concluded that it was best to campaign on a single policy issue i.e Brexit rather than allow more divisive issues to enter the party like UKIP did. He seems to consistently out maneuver people. It wouldn't surprise me if the new Conservative leader entered some kind of pact with him to reach a solution on Brexit and hold a decisive general election where they don't compete against each other.

 

Because it's a hypothetical question.
So I'l give you a hypothetical answer I think we will be fine trading with the world, it might take a while but we can encourage large corporations and multi national companies to come to the UK by offering very competitive business rates, as we will be in charge of our own destiny.
Maybe the stupid MPs in this situation were the remainers if they had taken Mays deal we would have still been in the customs union (which Corbyn wanted) and who knows how long it would have taken to get out if we ever did, I openly stated earlier in this thread if the EU negotiators had set a date to come out once the hard border had been sorted I'd have taken that deal, but the EU want us to stay so they wouldn't budge on the back stop and as long as we were in the customs union the other 26 EU countries would make decision that we would have had no decision in, which sovereign country would have tolerated that situation, none and you know it.

 

https://twitter.com/search?q=brexit%20party&src=typd

Try to twist it how you want but the facts are on that tweet;

Brexit party top in 9 of 12 regions
It got most of the votes - 32%
It got the most seats - 29
Came top in 90% of council areas in England/Wales

I understand that it's hard to take when something might happen that you don't want to happen, but the way the politics of our lands work that is a resounding message however you look at it.

 

Rabb was reluctant to answer yes or no on the Andrew Marr show, although he did say the invitation from Theresa May was to all parties involved, now Brexit are an excepted political party who knows.
This EU election hopefully will see the end of UKIP it served its purpose, if forcing Cameron to hold a referendum.