Brexit

They have improved human rights and standards of health and safety much against Tory inclinations.
They have cut emissions from motor vehicles with a view to banning carbon fuels.
They have improved coalition between education and students in countries with the Erasmus programme
They have tried to improve the areas of degradation in EU states by redistribution.

Just a few but the benefits of self determination as a nation outweighs all but a few of the advantages of staying in.
It was interesting in the fly on the wall documentary on Brexit negotiations that Guy Verhofstadt said in the meeting the aim was to make the UK a vassel of the EU, with the Irish woman rep saying to feck the UK.

 

You cant argue with that but you're not willing to change the status quo when you got the chance.

You've lost me with you're highlighted comment, I was watching the Andrew Marr show this morning and what a positive response from Dominic Raab when Marr told him the EU negotiators have said time and time again the backstop can not be renegotiate, well in that case we will leave with no deal, unfortunately you cant please all the people all of the time as Theresa May tried to do as a remainer.

 

If your dream of nodeal goes spectacularly badly as predicted. What will you say then? who is to blame?

 

And Verhofstadt took great delight goading the UK negotiators, yes they had the upper hand once those bloody fools voted "no deal" to be taken off the table.
As I said above I watch the Andrew Marr program and was impressed with Dominic Raab when Marr tried to put him under pressure with regards no deal brexit, even Phillip Hammond was uneasy when told that no deal was law and only the executive (Prime Minister) could ultimately change that.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/dominic-raab-no-deal-brexit-tory-leadership-conservative-party-prime-minister-boris-johnson-a8930771.html

 

So now it's "IF" the no deal goes spectacularly badly as predicted, as the leaving of the EU is unprecedented
no body knows even good old Mark Carney has changed his mind twice on his financial predictions.
Then again we heard from Cameron & Osborne if we dare leave the EU unemployment would escalate yet last month we had more people in work that ever before, Osborne told us there would have to be an emergency budget and tax's would increase, Armageddon would look quite tame in comparison, not forgetting more austerity (well there something new under the Tories) were all in it together just some more than others.

 

The European election results coming in and its looking like a disaster for the main parties. Brexit Party coming out as the big winner, i'm guessing the excuse will be that people didn't know what they were voting for and that we should have a second vote, you know, just to be sure that everyone knew what they were voting for . Looks like my vote counted again, just like it did nearly three years ago. Well done uncle Nigel .

 

Can see this EU vote needing to go to a "confirmatory referendum" insufficient blue water to call this ? Labour are actually winning if you listen to Thornbarrow if you add up all the bits n prices !

 

Hilarious isn't she. So a party going just 4 months has smashed the european elections and people like Thornberry are still in denial as to why people voted. Funny listening to the main parties right now, desperately searching for any excuse they can find to divert blame from themselves. 'Old peoples fault' was one excuse doing the rounds lol.

 

I just wanted you to answer the question i said IF because if i said WHEN you would have argued against that. Sohow about that question i asked?

 

My take on the EU elections results, as they stand:

- The Brexit Party has the most votes. As a proxy for a hard Brexit, they have just over a third of the votes if you add in UKIP.

- The combination of Remain supporting parties Lib Dem/Green/PC/SNP etc comes in at around 40%

- The balance of around 20% of Tory and Labour voters. Hard to say their intentions with regard to Brexit.

Although the success of The Brexit Party has been spectacular, it falls a long way short of demonstrating a majority for a hard Brexit.

In law, we are heading for a no deal Brexit that appears to be supported by about a third of the electorate. The Tories will be even more terrified of a General Election and I think Labour will now be deeply concerned.

My prediction is that the Tory Party will tear itself apart in the leadership contest. Either there will be the promise of a second referendum from the winner to hold things together, or there won't and the Government will fall.

 

I'll make a prediction ! There will be a General Election and Nigel Farage will be Prime Minister and wipe out the Tories. The Labour Party will be wiped out and the Liberals will replace them as the opposition. Britain will leave the EU in October with No Deal. Happy Days at last !

 

It would be great if that happened but it would need an unheard of swing in a general election to make it happen. What is amusing after seeing the aftermath of the election results is just how much the main parties are in complete denial as to why it has happened and how anyone who voted leave or sided with Nigel Farage is treat with utter distain and contempt by staunch remainers. As i've stated before i'd love to see the complete overhaul of British politics, the current set up isn;t fit for purpose, but in truth i'm not bothered about remaining or leaving. Won't make any difference to me. What this vote has done has shown what can be achieved if you listen to the people. And i'm loving watching established politicians squirming, coming out with their pathetic excuses, blaming everyone and everything for their sheer incompetency.

Well done Nigel Farage, the two votes i have made in the past 2 1/2 years have not been a waste.

 

Could not have put it better myself RT

With everything you said.

WINNER !!!!

 

Have another read, I state quite clearly this situation is unprecedented so you me and the experts are giving their opinion of what might happen, I even gave you examples of 2 of our top politicians at the time said Cameron & Osborne using their scare tactics and finished up with egg on their faces.

 

See the country voted unanimously in favour of Brexit, yet us leave voting racists don't have any idea what we voted for.

 

Two big parties in trouble, Tories voting for the Brexit party and Labour even worse trouble with remainers down south voting Lib Dem and Leavers voting Brexit in the north.

 

She's an embarrassment to the Labour party very similar to Diane Abbott, most times I've seen her on any political program either the audience Andrew Marr, Andrew Neil, any other politically knowledgeable presenter have her babbling about what Labour passed at their conformance she can't give an answer without defaulting to the "Party Conference".
They are getting very worried now Alastair Campbell on the news this morning saying the Labour party can't sit on the fence and pretend to support the referendum vote, this is an embarrassment to both Tory & Labour parties and that numpty Vince Cable actually believes there has been a resurgence in the Lib/Dem party, I'll let you into a secret Vince the votes your party are picking up are the votes people who don't want brexit who can't trust the Tories are voting for you.

 

The liberal democrats are an irrelevance, let them have their fifteen minutes of fame. They seem to have forgot what a bunch of turncoat snakes they were a few years ago under that piece of shit Nick Clegg (who like all MPs has made a tidy fortune out of being an utter disgrace). Now up to the two main parties to first admit they have serious problems within their ranks. Until they do that both are going nowhere. Labour are rudderless with Corbyn at the wheel, the Tories are finshed as a creditable party. Until the both of them and their supporters stop blaming every man and his dog for their woes and hold their hands up neither are going anywhere. They can knock Farage as much as they want, thats all they've done since Brexit was a twinkle in Cameron's eye, but he keeps getting results.
We know what will happen though, exactly the opposite of what i quoted. They'll bury their heads in the sand and just hope it will all go away. Believe me they're in for a hell of a shock if they do.