Where will it end... 12th September as it happens

Yeah, if it doesn't continue to blow itself out anyway.

If the virus stops killing people, which is very, very possible, even if it stays around, who cares?

There's already a strong suggestion the virus is not the same as it was initially, which was one of the standard outcomes for any virus that is overly deadly. They mutate, and they mutate to be less deadly.

 

Bang on the money this for me.

 

Because the focus is framed in that way. Whether a country does good/bad is being viewed in a very binary death/infection count. It's hard enough to get people to see the nuance in population, population density, transport links, etc, let alone things that can actually be controlled. At the end of it countries are going to be measured on the death or infection numbers not about how loud they were able to sing at football games.

It's okay saying the vulnerable can opt out but that only affects the direct infections to vulnerable people. Not the number of people walking around with the virus and therefore the indirect effects or even deaths.

It's not safe to work or study. I think we all actually know this. There has to be some element of balance rather than saying we're just going to open everything back up because there is an element of danger in some aspects of our lives.

 

I keep saying to you. keep a lid on the infections and I suppose therefore to minimise the deaths as far as possible.

 

If the virus stops killing people then I agree. Who cares. I don't think there's any suggestion is has done though.

 

When the headline in a paper is this:

Is Nicola running Britain?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8626527/Eurotunnel-warns-trains-fully-booked-scramble-home-France-begins.html

Then you know your PM is truly awful!! Shocking PM!!!

Letting the Scottish run the country? What is happening here! Boris sort yourself out man!

 

Ah, but i'm not saying open everything up, I'm saying open up what's safe, first.

Outdoor, open-air arenas where people are NOT face-to-face by the very way a stadium is calibrated is the safest environment, particularly if every single person in that arena has tested negative for the virus.

Don't open theatres, don't open cinemas, don't open indoors entertainment, you don't need to open everything just to open outdoor arenas.

 

I think you might be overstating the safety of prolonged close proximity in open air and also the ease of getting people in/out. However I'm sure when they're a bit more sure about the effects and capabilities it will occur but I would think it would be a slow and gradual process.

You only have to look at the criticism of Cheltenham and the Liverpool game to see that people aren't going to take that on board if the infections start to spike around a sports event.

 

I think the hotter weather has something to do with it. Peoples immune systems are generally stronger at this time of year. The worry is when flu season comes back around if COvid 19 is still out there in the community which currently it looks as though it will be. At that point our NHS would fall over as it was quite close to doing in March this year. We literally had to shut everything off to ensure it survived.

 

I said it in a previous post and will reiterate it again, that is exactly what they want. A police state/National identity card brought in through the back door with little or no opposition.

 

Think it is and then to start charging the over weight people and old people..

A cost card.

 

The end might be closer than we think.

Has anybody actually died from the Leicester outbreak if only 7 (0.5%) were hospitalised and there have been no recent deaths? Flu has a higher hospitalisation rate at around 2%.

Https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53772459

"The number of people admitted to hospital for the first time with Covid-19 did increase in Leicester in June, but the rise was much smaller than the rise in confirmed cases.

In July, Leicester saw 1,336 cases but only seven people were admitted to hospital with Covid-19."


Last death in Leicester hospitals was July 27th.

Https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/leicester-news/no-coronavirus-related-deaths-reported-4421239

 

Not sure a national ID card would be a bad thing, you carry one on your person at all times like a credit care and if stopped you produce it to show you are who you're claiming to be, only my personal opinion.

 

If you drive or go abroad you already hold a form of a national ID card.

It's nothing to get too bothered about really.

 

This is probably the best news in a while to be honest. Need to figure out if there any reason why but its definitely a positive!

 

The numpties in the turnstiles can barely check for a valid season ticket, let alone a coshure negative Covid test.

 

This is a very important point and it doesn't get as much coverage as it should. As well as the more serious side effects, there are other less serious ones which still have a great impact on quality of life. A colleague of mine had it in April and still hasn't got his sense of taste or smell back and doesn't know if he ever will.

 

The problem with something like that is the Government has repeatedly proven it can not safely hold your information, no matter which party is in power.
I have a passport and a driving licence so I am not totally against it myself but some people clearly are and believe they shouldn't be enforced. That's why when it's reared its head a couple of times in recent years they haven't pushed it through.

 

In this day and age I'd be surprised if governments haven't all the information they require with regards an individual, certainly the younger end, you hear them talking and what they say when they post on facebook/twitter and the likes.
Even a straight forward questionnaire starts with simple questions with regards product and customer service etc and then go on to ask your age, your gross income, I only bought a flexi hosepipe ffs .