VAR

Yep, agree but if i were a scouser one goal given and the other un-intentional handball not a goal i will be thinking conspiracy, as it is their hated rivals.

 

Nonsense. Both decisions were spot on in terms of how VAR is deployed. But therein lies the problem. Its deployed incorrectly

 

BTW. Someone think of @Fordy117. Only getting a point at Manchester's injury ravaged 5th club etc.

 

Watford - Chelsea game, Delefeu (or whatever) draws contact, takes a couple of steps and realises the ball will go out, goes down holding his leg, ref gives goal kick. VAR intervenes and after a hellish long wait, awards penalty. All normal for VAR but the commentators over here were brilliant, Arlo White and Lee Dixon. During the thinking part of it, Dixon did his thing, noted the incidental contact and how once he figured the ball was going out, the guy hit the deck. Dixin then said "if this is given as a penalty, the game is gone". Decision came down and Dixon, White and all studio bodies were amazed. A couple of minutes later Chelsea were ready to make a change, White says "Chelsea about to make a change", Dixon, quick as a flash " can they take the ref off?" Well I liked it. Not sure if you get Arlo White and Lee Dixon doing commentaries over there but they are excellent. I also love the insight Dixon gives, really good stuff even though he says a lot of stuff in our English which the locals can't understand.

 

I was very scepitcal when it was introduced but we were informed it was to help the referee, yet as you say that was not the case yesterday VAR actually over rode the referee, we'll have AL or our lass refereeing soon they're never wrong.

 

Its a pain Dave, if only it was as definite as the goal line technology.

 

Once again VAR has got it wrong Dele Ali contests a header in his own area and you can see quite clearly the ball defect's from his raise arm and VAR says no penalty.

 

Offside for an armpit? Fans don't care about this nitpicking garbage if there's no advantage gained. And they're changing the game rules to try make VAR look better even though the game looks worse. Sack VAR and the people that brought it in! It's all about money and not the joy of the game. MOTD are now talking about dumping it. Will it make it to the season end? Dump it NOW!

 

@SimonW we've sort of had this discussion before but the GLT is an example of no argument technology. I can't remember when it was first used but I do remember that absolutely nobody quibbled with it and it was instant.
This VAR thing is neither. Especially when they don't seem to be interested in Judo throws etc.

 

Regarding the Liverpool goal offside decision.

My understanding is that VAR is supposed to reverse clear and obvious errors. That's is what we are led to believe, I don't think it has been used in that manor but that was my understanding of why it was brought in.

The Liverpool goal was ruled out as offside by the linesman during the game, VAR didn't rule out the goal initially it just checked to see if a clear and obvious error had been made. In my opinion a clear and obvious error hadn't been made, it was incredibly tight and it the kind of decision that without VAR could be given either way.

Compare this to the Son goal v Leicester earlier in the season, that goal was given on the pitch but then ruled out by VAR.

To me both those decision should have stood as called on the pitch as no clear or obvious error had been made, for example like when Arsenal scored v Man U and it was originally given as offside even though Maguire was playing everyone onside by about 4 yards. That is clear and obvious.

I don't want VAR re refereeing the game, I want it to step in when a howler has been committed, not to redefine marginal offsides by a *@?$ hair. Nor like yesterday should people be stood around for 3min waiting for a decision.

They need to accept that mistakes have been made with the use of VAR, reel it back in a bit and only step in when clear errors have been made. They should always back the original call on the field unless there is clear evidence to overturn it and that is the limit to which is should be used.

 

MOTD2 spent ages criticising VAR again. Even those being told by their bosses to support it are calling for it to be revised or dropped. It's getting so I'm not bothered about missing MOTD and would prefer an extra hour's sleep!

 

More controversial VAR calls first Sterling is going through on goal he's pulled back, ref gives a pen and is over ruled by VAR the challenge was outside the box which is fair enough but why was Rafael Tolói only given a yellow he was the last man, red surely ?.
Then the ref doesn't see hand ball in the box so lets play go on, VAR bring the incident to the ref's attention and award Man City a pen which Gabriel Jesus fires wide.

 

I think VAR worked ok tonight. He even went to check the TV.

 

Can't agree, VAR got the penalty decision tight but Rafael Tolói was Atalata's last man so it should have been a red not a yellow ?
I agree the VAR calling the penalty was correct.

 

That's the referee's call on the field. When it was a pen he was going to give a yellow card so why would it change just because it was outside the box. I'm all for VAR not refereeing the game. The error was inside or outside the box, the rest was at the referees discretion. It should only be used for errors and it should not be used to referee the game and I'm more in favour of last night that the farce that I have seen in the Premier League.

With the penalty, VAR actually suggested the referee should watch it, he took one look at it and gave a pen, that is clear. When they look at something for 3 min it is not clear so stick with the decision on the pitch.

 

Because as I posted it was either a penalty, which VAR showed it wasn't or as Rafael Tolói was the last man the ref should have given him a red for stopping a goal scoring opportunity.

 

shocking at Spurs, Sheff U goal called back for offside but all TV shots with lines superimposed show Spurs shoulder ahead of Blades big toe. And it took over 3 mins. Commentators going mad, I think one s Paul Walsh and he thinks its a stinker too.

 

This sort of stuff does not help football in general, the top people dont have a clue.