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People fell out with Labour , they lost touch with there core voters in the Blair golden years . What Labour fail to grasp is they've only been succeseful in 3 out of the last 10 GEs . They've become a metropoliton " cult " with very limited atraction to the genuine working class . They were decimated in the last GE - they were decimated in the local elections , despite the Government mistakes they're miles behind in all polls , yet Groups like Momentum etc reckon its because the whole of the country are right wing little inglanders . They fail to realise voters do not like their policies , they dont like the idea of people like Eddie Izzard and Owen Jones being pushed forward as : spokesman " for the working class " . They cry about unfair advantages for the "white working class " , i'm older ( maybe not wiser ) than most and remember Bradford in the 70s , i remember playing football with and against black and asian teams , we went to VP together we mixed together at School ( i went to Belle vue which was a near 0n 50 - 50 mix ) race creed and colour was rarely mentioned we all got on together . Everybody just got on with their lives . It changed in the later years and became more insular , the more " enlightened people who promote percieved racism " the worse it will become . The vast majority of people get on , its the radicals on both sides of the coin who stir up the trouble .

 

It's not necessarily about wings, you made it specifically about parties.

No government since World War 2 has got more than 50% of the vote. That's not a gerrymandering or rigging of the system though, it's simply a multi party election.

If anything the most skewed result when judged against the popular vote was the 2005 Labour landlslide win which only had about 3% between the main parties.

The solution to your perceived idea would be for the left wing parties to come together under one banner. However, the fact that they can't currently organise themselves under the current one - and are perceived to be leaning more towards student/coffee shop/London liberal/protest views rather than their historical working class roots - is a failing of the left, not a failing of the system.

 

The housing situation is a mess and those trying to buy or even rent have a hard time, Both Labour and Conservative are to blame, Labour under Blair/Brown deliberately built fewer houses to keep house inflation up as it counted towards the growth figures in the economy they boasted about, The Tories are not interested in social housing and denied councils the power to borrow to build new social housing while allowing them to be sold off to tenants ending up in the private rented sector while relying on the private sector and market forces to build new houses for sale, The combination of bad policies by both Labour and Conservatives are to blame for continually not building enough houses and thus keeping prices high because of supply and demand not been balanced.
The irony of the Thatcher policy of selling off council houses to tenants at huge discounts to create her dream of a house owning nation has spectacularly failed as home ownership actually declined as they were sold by the tenants at profit from the discount to private rental companies.Thus reducing the social housing supply

 

Don't knock it until you've tried it you sexist pig.

 

It’s hard work bringing up kids - too hard for an increasing majority.
Keep on what your doing mate, but teach them to take no sh1t.
Trying to bring mine up to be kind, caring and considerate, but not to take any crap of anyone.

 

remember having sleepovers at my aunts and uncles, they had 3 bathrooms, all with Izal.
Never had a shit there.

 

The most racist people are those that shout racism, Most earn a good living from it

 

The other side to the the report is of course that it highlights many of the wider socio-economic injustices in our society.

Which in general most people would currently agree with. Its therefore important to contextualise it.

For the last 10 years, and watching events from around the world, I've believed that our society is probably about as equitable on race as it has ever been and infornt of a lot of the world. Are there instances of racism, of course, but in general the report gives a much closer idea of my recently lived experiences than some of the sensationalist "everything is bad" ideas we sometimes hear.

 

Although just read the whole thread and not quite sure how we got from litter to this

 

Bright and competent...? don't ever lose your sense of humour....

 

I don't have the insight to comment on your experience of the mental health service and its experience for BAME people, but I do have first hand experience of the shambolic state of mental health support in relation to my own (white) family.

Stop and search seems to disproportionately affect black people, and there may be an element of unconscious bias at hand, but I think that's more complex than a simple matter of race. And in terms of the police and criminal justice system, the statistics also show that you're more likely ro be convicted of a crime if you're white and more likely to die in police custody if you're white (though that happens very rarely across the board).

There are areas of society where black people are under represented, but then there are areas where black people are positively over represented too. The key point of the survey and its findings, to my mind, is to try and bring some facts to bear that haven't really had much media air time in the last 12 months and more to the point, look more deeply at instances of where areas of society are disadvantaged and tye layered factors that extend beyond a simple matter of race.

 

Those surveys weren't written by people I agree with so we can just ignore those findings.

 

You're not wrong - all these things are available and none of them were available 20 years ago.

The simple fact is that none of them were needed 20 years ago. If prices had kept track with wages then more people would have waited and saved until they had a decent deposit but for a lot of people that means £25k-£50k at the moment.

Could have probably bought 2 houses for that when you were a lad!!