Todays society

Just remember surveys usually give the answer the organisation who pays wants to hear, They are skewed and unreliable based on a small selection and a very unreliable source of information that should be relied on,

 

By the way @Offcomedun , I’m enjoying the discussion as I like to have challenging and sensible conversations with people who hold a different opinion. I wish we saw more of it in society, so I hope you take my posts in the spirit they’re intended. I’m not looking to offend or antagonise, or assert an ‘I’m right, you’re wrong’ position. I’m always open to learning and challenging my own thinking.

 

More likely an 'old wives tale', happened a few times and then all of a sudden it's endemic....

 

Great point on Qatar. If football, as a game, wants to take a genuinely bold and social political stand on behalf of those who are most oppressed, they'll boycott the World Cup. Wont happen though. Pointless gestures and virtue signalling are about as far as most want to go.

 

There was another example of this over the weekend. An Asian woman was attacked in New York and told to "go home" etc, etc.

All the usual suspects jumped on, using it as another example of white supremacy and racist culture. The only issue they seem to have missed was that the attacker was actually black.

Which probably leads me onto a further point. We're too socially interconnected with the USA which does have a major race problem. We seem to take their issues and try to make them our own in a way we do for no other country in the world.

 

Going back to the first post on this thread about litter in the parks it actually linked in to the race issue and Misogyny it’s about respect for the environment and other people. This is a society that knows it’s rights but hasn’t a clue about its responsibility’s

 

At least 6500 dead, apparently.

https://www.football365.com/news/case-england-boycott-qatar-2022-john-nicholson

 

These are not Q&A surveys, they are rigorous academic studies in which realistic fictitious job applications are made to real employers using names and backgrounds from various ethnic groups. Study after study has found that BAME applicants have much lower rates of interview and employment than equivalent white applicants.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-46927417

"
Compared to White British applicants, people of:

• Pakistani heritage had to make 70% more applications
• Nigerian and South Asian heritage 80% more applications
• Middle Eastern and north African heritage 90% more applications"

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2009/oct/18/racism-discrimination-employment-undercover

These are two such studies conducted in the UK this century, but I remember reading similar research producing similar results when I was at Bradford Uni in the early 80s. It's clear that for all the initiatives to promote inclusivity over several decades, black people still find it much harder to get jobs than their white equivalents. And that holds regardless of socio-economic background (@Rogered Tart ) and educational attainments or the status of the jobs. So, high-achieving BAME people struggle to get appropriate jobs commensurate with their qualifications just as much as lower qualified people from poor backgrounds.

 

I can actually believe that it does have an impact on CVs although I'm not sure studies from 2009 or the 80s are the most reliable anymore.

I suppose you do always get things like this https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.examinerlive.co.uk/news/local-news/white-worker-bradford-asian-food-19662333.amp that show that bias is not a one way street. But is always wrong.

What recent study shows that black people find it harder to get jobs than white people. I haven't seen that.

 

It is impossible to take surveys or reports from the BBC or Guardian seriously, They are the most biased organisations in the media and always have an agenda to follow, It would be of more value if you opened your mind to other more balanced views,

 

Interesting thread. We are all guilty of unconscious bias-so does that make us all racist?

Recently did some online learning on unconscious bias and found it very interesting. It's almost impossible not to do it but when you become aware of it and when you think about your everyday activities it gives you a real sense of awareness.

 

You didn't even read the links, did you? These are not studies commissioned by the BBC or Guardian. They are simply reports of academic studies conducted by universities. The findings of the studies are exactly the same no matter who is reporting them.
It would help if you opened your mind and recognised your blind prejudice against the Guardian and BBC, even when they are simply reporting third party studies

 

Universities eh, hotbed of reason..!!

 

Rogered mate the report tries to say that black africans transformed themselves into cultural brits as a result of the slave trade. Thats not racist so much as just bizarre. I also think it's worth noting that several of the academics listed as contributors have come out and said they either weren't consulted or in one particular case (Stephen Bourne), invited to a roundtable discussion on black british history without the report so much as being mentioned only to find his name on the report on the day of publication.



Some quotes from contributors to the report:


“I had no idea I was going to be named in the report.” Had he been asked, he would have said: “Absolutely not, I don’t want my name in the report.

“I don’t agree with it, I don’t agree with it stating there is no institutional racism, what a load of rubbish.”

“I don’t know how anybody, let alone a person of African origin, can produce a statement like that. It is a gross insult to the countless dead, it’s an insult to the farming of people and the industrial sale of human lives which went into creating people like myself and others. It’s an insult.”


https://inews.co.uk/news/race-report-curator-listed-as-a-contributor-says-he-was-absolutely-not-contacted-by-race-commission-938503?fbclid=IwAR2xDORxisZTg5KoArYEh8LtJsDBETARwcSpuwylDdiIwH8zT7LUJSvDM30#Echobox=1617277235


In the face of such strong condemnation from people the government was happy to name drop as having a hand in creating this report, I find it hard to accept it as a credible work

 

But they are the exception that proves the rule.

Of course there are backhanders and favours in all walks of life and communities.
But that doesn't alter the fact that black people are heavily underrepresented in the higher echelons of business, politics etc.

 

It's worth noting that black people officially only make up 3% of the population so any "under representation" needs to be judged against that statistical context.