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This smacks of saying "a report is only correct if people who agree with my preconceived ideas write it"

 

My parents / Grandparents always said you get back in life what you put in. I find it quite ironic that society is now a " buy now pay for it later generation " . You only have to look at the personal debt that most families have today , i was always taught patience is a virtue and if you want anything you save for it . I use the same system even today , but if i wanted ( and without proof of income / finances ) rack up £1000s on store cards, credit cards , debit cards etc etc , and thats the crux of the problem . When i left school most of my friends went into mundane ( but fairly well paid jobs ) , i took on an apprenticeship which was very hard and poorly paid , but i'm fairly comfortable now through hard work and sacrifice earlier on . I used to call my mates " weekend millionaires " they thought little of the future , it's ok to want everything in life now ( instant gratification i suppose ) but in the long run somebody has to foot the bill . People scream poverty at present , but by what yardstick ?, i witnessed real poverty in 60s Bradford , it's nowhere near as bad these days despite what people would have you believe .

 

Neither do quite a few black players - fcking pointless gesture, created by imbeciles to make themselves feel better about doing fck all.

 

By the way @Offcomedun , I’m enjoying the discussion as I like to have challenging and sensible conversations with people who hold a different opinion. I wish we saw more of it in society, so I hope you take my posts in the spirit they’re intended. I’m not looking to offend or antagonise, or assert an ‘I’m right, you’re wrong’ position. I’m always open to learning and challenging my own thinking.

 

A proper stitch up attempt, but he handled it well. Owen Jones is a monstrous tw&t, he really is. I despair, I really do. Sensible conversation and a tolerance for differing opinion is all but dead. We're trying to defeat racism with racism, Gender inequality with sexism, intolerance with intolerance. I really do worry about the world my kids are growing into.

 

Unfortunately its common place. 'Your opinion on race isn't valid because you're white'. or 'You can't really speak on feminist issues because you're a man'. The irony. My view is similar to yours in the sense that those who make the most noise and drama about equality, don't actually want it.

 

The educational system set up to systematically oppress people of colour?

I've seen her speak publicly on several occasions. Yes, I'm saying she's thick as mince. Some of the smartest people I know have little in the way of academic qualifications.

 

I appreciate your view ( Unlike yourself who it seems cannot bare other opinions ) but disagree with your opinion, You revel in fake oppression like the racist anti white mob we see on the media and fail to see you are part of the problem by regurgitating old stories and failing to see there is another reason for discrimination, It is odd that the Asian population who have a strong work and education ethic are rarely mentioned or that the fact one of the most disadvantaged are poor white working class boys, But of course that does not suit the rhetoric

 

Sorry Steve it does not belong in sport, and I for one will be turning my back on any such actions.

 

But then you'd have to look at 'institutions' that apparently favour black people. Its a complex issue and I'm still firmly of the view that this is not a fundamentally racist country and that given the same set of life circumstances, life choices and individual capabilities, white and non white people have access to the same opportunities and outcomes as one another in the vast, vast majority of cases.

 

Great point on Qatar. If football, as a game, wants to take a genuinely bold and social political stand on behalf of those who are most oppressed, they'll boycott the World Cup. Wont happen though. Pointless gestures and virtue signalling are about as far as most want to go.

 

There was another example of this over the weekend. An Asian woman was attacked in New York and told to "go home" etc, etc.

All the usual suspects jumped on, using it as another example of white supremacy and racist culture. The only issue they seem to have missed was that the attacker was actually black.

Which probably leads me onto a further point. We're too socially interconnected with the USA which does have a major race problem. We seem to take their issues and try to make them our own in a way we do for no other country in the world.

 

Thanks for this. I agree, it's good to have discussions with people who have different opinions and experiences. It's interesting, but not surprising, how people's backgrounds, jobs and life experiences shape their views.
Trust me, it's pretty challenging to be involved in social/political discussions on this forum. I'm usually one of a small minority putting views that are counter to the prevailing right of centre concensus. That often leads to me being seen as far more left wing than I actually am. I probably sometimes respond more stridently than I should because I find some of the views expressed on here to be fairly shocking, and totally outside what I normally encounter in my day to day life. I come from a social science/social work background. Most of my friends are teachers, social workers and musicians, who nearly all hold views similar to my own - some much more left wing than mine.
It's easy to get stuck in a social media bubble which is just an echo chamber of one's own views. Many of the opinions and attitudes expressed on here are nowhere to be seen on my Facebook page, which is full of people with views like mine. It's a real eye opener to come on here and encounter views that would be regarded as outrageous by most of my friends, both online and in person.