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  1. Faithful Bantam

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    And what's the legacy of that windfall? An enduring deficit, no assets of our own, League 2 football and a plodding squad with few, if any, saleable assets.
     
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  2. Dennis

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    I often smile at some of the stuff you come out with. But on this occasion I laughed aloud.

    Let's put it clearly. We do not have any kind of bargaining position with the Pension Fund. We have a lease on the ground for another 8 years (not 10 years as you and somebody else has posted) and short of going into administration, there is no way to change that. IWe will have to look at other options in a few years time as the lease runs down but we are stuck with it for the time being whether we like it or not. And no threat of ground sharing in the near future is going to change the situation.

    Do you remember when ML tried something similar with the PF a few years ago and threatened to move to Odsal with 'his' lighting and seating? That didn't work either at the time and I've heard nothing from you or anybody else why a similar threat should work on this occasion. Get real!
     
  3. Stuart hallam

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    Went to the game yesterday. As a former Groundsman at Plymouth Argyle (now living in Yorkshire) I always take an interest in the pitch. I'm pleased that no one is the blaming the groundstaff. We got loads of grief at Plymouth, all of it unjustified. We had major issues and then the club decided to hold concerts, which was the death nail for the pitch. The club budgeted around £600k for a fibre-lastic pitch. That was 10 years ago so add at least 10% to that now. You get what you pay for, buy cheap buy twice. Good luck!
     
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  4. Rogered Tart

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    Well thats not sorted really is it? Ask a professional how much it would cost for the upkeep then budget accordingly. If a club like Accrington can sort their pitch out then so can we. None of this rubbish about 'how bad pitches were in my day', sick of hearing the excuses. Time to move into the 21st century, albeit 20 years late.
     
  5. Offcomedun

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    The fact that Saturday's game went ahead given the huge recent volume of rain, and the standing water on the pitch on Friday, strongly suggests that the new drainage laid in 2018 is working very well.
    The current state of the pitch therefore seems likely to be caused by us skimping on necessary routine maintenance last summer. I can't remember where I read that we did that, but it seems to have been false economy that is now biting us on the bum.
     
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    Since my early 40's but you don't have to get personal Park :p
     
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    From what I have been told the Harrogate firm did the drainage and from the videos they took it looked like they did a good job. Then I think the pitch was done with help and advice from the people at St Ives Bingley. They seem to have a fixation with Fibre Sand, which is probably why large bare patches on the pitch resemble Blackpool beach.
    We should ask Carlisle United for advice. On Boxing Day their pitch looked like it hadn't been played on! And that that area floods from time to time. Do they have a large budget for the playing area? I doubt it.
     
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  8. Rogered Tart

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    You say better deal, what is our collateral in those discussions? Both parties need each other in this instance, its not like we've got anywhere else to go and we ain't ever gonna build a new ground. Gibb holds some of the better cards here in that we actually need a ground to play at and this is the only option.
     
  9. Bigrod

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    Football teams do move locations. Preferably City would remain in Bradford.

    The ownership of the ground went to the Gibbs pension fund in 2003 https://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/8011079.valley-parade-is-sold/

    In 2011 a dispute about the rent came to light, which in an article, It stated, “City pay £370,000 per year to the family pension fund of former chairman Gordon Gibb, who bought the stadium for around £2.5m in 2003 at the height of the financial troubles that followed a two-year stay in the Premier League“. https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/football/bradford-city/exclusive-bradford-city-could-quit-valley-parade-over-rent-costs-1-3285007

    If City is paying somewhere in the region of the figure quoted, then the Gibbs ‘family pension fund’ will have accumulated around £9.25m when the lease expires.

    The Bank of England inflation calculator suggests that inflation would mean that £2.5m in 2003 would now be worth around £4m. Whereas the Gibbs family pension fund will have cleared around £6.29m in 2020 (based on an average of £370,000 per annum) and at the end of the lease will have earned the figure I mentioned above of around £9.25m!

    That to me seems to be an exceptional return, given that they will still own the land and have the potential to make a further substantial profit.

    The stadium is deteriorating and the pitch very poor. No major upgrades in the fabric have taken place since the completion of the North West corner. The other sections of the ground are largely as they were, when construction was completed. Normal wear and tear, and supporters expecting a better match day experience, suggests that there should be updating. If the landlord will not undertake it (it is their asset) then the tenant needs to negotiate a reduced rent and with the released cash, ‘ring fence it’ and use the money to improve the stadium.

    Happy if anyone who has a more detailed knowledge of the finances, shares the information.
     
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  10. Rogered Tart

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    We're experts on administrations....
     
  11. donhutchinsaffro

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    Keefly stop moaning we are unbeaten in 5 weeks dude
     
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  12. Rogered Tart

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    Accrington's chairman said earlier this week the only way they sorted their pitch was to do a proper professional job on it, they'd already wasted 10s of thousands on suck it and see repair jobs. The proof of their work is there for all to see, the pitch was still playable and in good condition right after storm Ciara. This needs sorting in the summer, not two or three years down the line. Looking at photos this year of a solitary lighting rig trying to persuade non existing grass to grow on that surface is the epitome of pathetic. Needs doing this summer regardless of cost. Enough pissing about.
     
  13. hatchedbantam

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    Spot on, it's not rocket science is it, they seeded it and the birds got about 25% of it and it never gets time to mature. I saw the pitch about one week before the season started and there was bald patches all over, it never stood a chance it's not drainage it's lack of grass the main ingredient. Put as many lights on you like you can't turn mud into grass, there is no GRASS.
     
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  14. BradfordBanter

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    Surely the Ricoh is slightly different though? Doesn't it get used as a multi purpose venue and host music events? It's not like the landlord only has one revenue stream.
     
  15. ahar964

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    Are you two seriously suggesting we share Elland Road??????
     
  16. Bronco

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    I'm sure Julian is showing Rupp what cutting corners achieves nothing, yes £1m is a lot of money (which I personally prefer spending on players) but something has to be done with regards the playing surface.
    Not having a go but are the City ground staff up to the job once a new surface is layed ?.
     
  17. Rogered Tart

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    A move outside Bradford is a complete non starter, this isn't the Bulls situation. Valley Parade is looking 'very tired' and does need investment, thousands of those seats won't last another 10 years, the pitch is a disgrace and it's things like this that need to be taken into account when renegotiating the new lease. It needs to be done in the next couple of years really so that another possible new stadium lends itself to those negotiations. No point in leaving it till a year or two before the lease runs out.
     
  18. city gent 65

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    absolute disgrace looks like Rhodes saving a few quid on avoiding any maintenance last summer is going to cost the club a lot more than he saved, preventative maintenance is always cheaper than having to start again Rhodes needs to stop penny pinching in the wrong places
     
  19. Onside

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    They have already advised us what needs to be done. Obviously it is too expensive for us to complete the work, and they don’t fancy sponsoring us.
     
  20. hatchedbantam

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    Look around, grass has bee'n growing everywhere, local parks, in your gardens, local sport pitches, fields, it's even growing up through paths. But it won't grow at Valley Parade will it, it really is one of the worlds great mystery's The club should have open days so coach parties could come and witness this great phenomenon. I know it's hard to get grass to grow out of concrete, wood and plastic but an old chap told me if you use good soil and the right seed you will be ok. The same old chap was amazed how a pitch could not drain on a pitch that was situated on sloping land
     
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