Is your expectation of T&S's future based on anything other than the manager of a team we beat today and who might well be attempting to cover his own ar$e with his club on the verge of being relegated to the National League?
Today's performance was a poor one. But how have you factored in their track record of 45 points from 23 games, which is impressive by anybody's standard, into your expectation?
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Some of the abuse the 2 lads received on Twatter was appalling, yet they still responded with dignity and thanked the supporters. Really wish some people would think about what they type before abusing 2 lads, who only did their best and saved us from the plunge. I wouldn’t be against them taking over in the future if they’re in and around the first team.
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The bloke is a City legend. Those who think otherwise must have just been stood in the bogs during the games when he was here. What I saw was a League Two promotion and a remarkable Capital One Cup run, as well as a good FA Cup run. We played it long at times, meh.
They were golden years which will forever be looked back on fondly here.Green Team Leader, Bantamsteve, Morley Bantam and 16 others like this. -
Yes Saturday was poor but we won missing players and under T&S have generated auto promotion form against what looked like auto relegation before and still whining occurs on here.
Whether we make the ply offs or not the aims set back in December have been achieved, iFollow figures prove interest and support has been rekindled and the immediate future secured. Too much negativity in some areas, move on.Bronco, Bantam Boy, Rob and 14 others like this. -
As far as Sunderland I think they were 7/8 th when PP left and as said above they are the team in the poorest form currently which may underline my comments on Johnson, we shall see.
As to the comments of you and Fordy, no, of course I'm not happy with where we are, who is?, sadly in 65+ years of support, apart from 5 or 6 we have always been what you and Fordy say 'a failing club'. Sadly that is a reflection of our City as a whole, low income, poor infrastructure, etc., etc. Which will only be remedied by massive investment in City and Club. Stefan has done more than most people know to keep us afloat but we need a Sunderland level of worth as owner or another two of Stefan's worth. If you know them get them involved.
I know a few either with connections or direct and Bradford is not on their radar so we have to be realistic, back Ryan and Stefan, things are and will change hopefully for a lot better. I know the flak I've had for saying 5 years to get Rahic out of our blood but it's true in my opinion. That doesn't stop us getting on with improving and I'm sure we will.Bronco, Silverbantam, 1975citygent and 12 others like this. -
Hiring McCall and signing Guthrie, Clarke, Samuels and Evans have had far bigger impact on this season than the actions of Rahic.
In my opinion Julian Rhodes and Stuart McCall have a far bigger responsibility for this season’s failure to gain promotion than Rahic, it’s just far easier and more convenient for some to blame someone who hasn’t been at VP for over two years than look closer to home.
It’s time to stop with the excuses and accept nothing less than the absolute best. Sparks seems to have that attitude.Parader, Meltham Massive, Bantamtom and 11 others like this. -
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Take a look at the league table 3 months ago. On 6th February, we were in 19th place on 31 points. Bolton were a place below us in 20th, albeit on goal difference only but still, they were below us. Since then, Bolton have moved up 17 places and secured themselves automatic promotion, we've moved up 4 places and got absolutely nothing to show for it. Worse than that though, is that on the 6th February, Stevenage were 2 places below us on 26 points having played a game more. They finished the season ahead of us. A team that got relegated last season and only got reinstated because of what happened to Macclesfield, finished above us. Quite simply, that is not good enough, whoever the manager/s are, and it isn't fickle or disrespectful to be questioning whether T&S are the managers that can take us forward and have us challenging at the top end of the table next season.NorthernMonkey, Johnny Yen, WilsdenBantam and 11 others like this. -
I think the only answer is for Sparks to sack them both. It really is!
When they took over from McCall the aim really was about gaining results to make sure we stay up. Performances don't really as such but when you think about it we were gaining the results by playing negative football. Sparks should have known this and only offered a contract until the end of the season to really find out what their management style is, how they want to play the game and how they connect with the fans but instead he acted like a fat kid in a sweet shop offering them an 18 month contract.
Once safe the handbrake should have come off but it didn't and the jumping up & down for the Bolton draw as a disgrace.
Last week when we are losing highlighted more than ever how negative T & S really are.
I'm not convinced a negative manager(managers for us) can change into a positive/ attacking one or the other way round. Look at Jose for example.
We need to get rid of these two and bring in a manager that plays the way the fans, Sparks wants and give us the best chance next season.Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...Bantamsteve, Mike Hunt, Green Team Leader and 10 others like this. -
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You’re closer to the financial detail than I am, but I’d challenge the idea of Stefan doing more than we’re aware of to keep us afloat. Or at least, if he has, its because he’s taken a forward moving, self sustaining club and turned into a regressing, loss making one. It’s on him, the buck stops there. His tenure has been a disaster, there’s no dressing it up.
As for needing someone significantly more wealthy, again I disagree. Other clubs at this level manage to achieve a modicum of success without pumping in mega millions. A level of investment would certainly help, but you’re talking maybe 10-20m, properly invested to get this club knocking on the door of and maybe even consolidating in the championship. Rupp has that sort of wealth. It’s not the money that’s missing, its the interest, the vision and the capability.Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...Mike Hunt, Lepton Bantam, Ponty City and 10 others like this. -
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Or how about the awful awful football offered up? Is that good enoughjcliney, thebantamhaslanded, broadsword and 10 others like this. -
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I can 100% guarantee T&S will still be in “the big boys club” long after Grimsby have relieved Hurst of his managerial duties.
Fair play, he’s done the management by numbers bit, made them hard to breakdown, toughened them up........blah blah......
Not done brilliantly on the team bonding front it has to be said!!!!
We had a bad day at the office and still came away with the win, bye bye Hurst, sorry you didn’t get the job you wanted, maybe you’ve found your level at Grimsby.
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I agree they deserve applause for the job they've done but the negative displays in the last 4 games has been borderline criminal.
Yet again we're chasing the game, need a goal and leave two strikers on the bench and getting splinters until an enforced change in the final minutes of injury time.
He even threw Paudie upfront ffs.Ponty City, Tony Wilkinson, trevor and 9 others like this. -
So as we sit and ponder yet another disappointing/ failed season what will realistically change to make sure in 12 months we’re in a better place?
I’m struggling to see whatever the vision is meant to be.
A young CEO who’s obsessed with reminding us how old he is. Talks a lot and to his credit, tries to make a positive spin but the jury is very definitely still out.
An owner who might live on the moon for all we know.
A management team that the majority don’t feel have the nous or tactical ability to move the club forward.
Another huge clear out of players and a lack of faith that the next bunch will be any better.
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I'll concede there's no guarantee with any appointment but sticking with these guys is the biggest gamble we can make. We're still in decline and finishing in a worse position year on year. The margin for error is getting smaller. Start poorly next season and at what point do we replace them? If you analyse the performances no one outside the club would laugh if they were replaced. They tried and are failing.Ponty City, Johnny Yen, Bantamtom and 9 others like this. -
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That could be a very difficult message to promote when ST'S go back on sale imo.How, bantamdave41, Green Team Leader and 8 others like this. -
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I hope that the fans acknowledge the really good job these two have done. Yes we didn't kick on as we approached the play offs but the overall job has been really good.
If things change, it would be excellent to see positive acknowledgement at VP from the fans.
They do deserve that.Tennesseebantam, Allotment Bantam, 1975citygent and 8 others like this. -
I've seen enough - these aren't going to get us promoted. They were given deals too early, which is forgivable in the circumstances. But keeping them beyond this summer would lead to another wasted season.
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