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Slowly slipping away………

Discussion in 'City Talk' started by Bigrod, Nov 28, 2021.

  1. Bantamsteve

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    Any new manager should adapt and work with OUR style of play
    Oh wait a minute we don't have one :unsure::unsure:
    Mr Adams does need time although at the moment I can't see in the long run how we will benefit from it
    Until the club develops a "modus operandi" we will continue treading water at best
     
  2. Tight1-0Victory

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    So you choose manager I think that's a big mistake and all resources should go on the pitch this season

    We can look at the manager and a DoF next season
     
  3. TallinnBantam

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    I don't think they would. These players are average at best. However, the day in day out same tactics used by Adams isn't helping much. Nor are the training sessions it seems. I'd give him til after January to see if "his" scouting system has brought any new players in. But as has been said, two wins in twenty is shocking however you look at it. If he was a Premiership manager, he'd already have been given his P45 weeks ago.
     
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  4. King Cole

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    You're manipulating them by conveniently omitting some games. IT'S TWO WINS IN THE LAST TWENTY - FACT.
     
  5. borderlescott

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    Why do i care about the results when the reserves played?
     
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  6. Bantamsteve

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    Same was said last season when Stuart was relieved of his duties (poor team, low morale average at best etc)
    T&S took over and to some degree got a tune out of them very nearly to the play offs. Not for one minute suggesting we get T&S back but a change of management/style has worked before. We could have premier league ability scouts but they don't hold the purse strings, sadly we have to work with what we have which is supposedly Mr Adams strength so far he is not living up to his reputation
    Can't see a P45 on the horizon Mr Sparks has staked his reputation on him
    3 straight wins can lift the gloom (I live in hope) but that's what kills you
     
  7. TallinnBantam

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    Sparks needs to realise that its a results game. He can't keep Adams just because of his own reputation. If anything, I think Sparks would enhance his reputation if he showed some balls and acted like a proper CEO. Its a results game, meaning fans want wins. If we keep losing, then its only a matter of time before the Adams chants and boos get louder each game. Not to mention us getting closer to relegation, and further away from the the playoffs.
     
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  8. Bantamsteve

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    There's statistics lies and damn lies
    What can't lie is the league table we are sliding down
     
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  9. Bantamsteve

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    I agree with you Mr Sparks is very inexperienced and hardly had the best mentor who was hell bent on balancing the books over what happens on the pitch he gave Stuart a contract extension then sacked him, once you get away with not sure especially considering the cost he would do so again we are stuck with Mr Adams and his ways for a while yet am afraid the only time Mr Sparks would react is if we fall into the bottom 2
    Even then am not too sure
     
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  10. bantamdave41

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    Possibly so but a Premiership club most likely can afford the severance pay, without affecting the playing budget. Can we?

    Look, his record certainly ain't great here at City but I just struggle to comprehend that much of this squad is to his liking. I worried that this team lacked goals and I had no serious aspirations for the new season, so I am not as bothered as others.
    https://bantamtalk.com/index.php?threads/how-confident-are-you-1-10-of-the-forthcoming-glorious-season-poll-now-added.5244/page-2#post-526654

    I honestly think that if Adams does not get the correct support in the 2 transfer windows upcoming, that Sparks won't need to make a decision. I feel that will reflect more adversely on Sparks and he will know it.

    Hopefully, the dosh and aspiration from above will be found.
     
  11. bantamdave41

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    [QUOTE="Bantamsteve, post: 575555, member: Can't see a P45 on the horizon Mr Sparks has staked his reputation on him[/QUOTE]

    Maybe I'm being naive but could that reflect 'positively' in the next transfer windows?
     
  12. TallinnBantam

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    Maybe I'm being naive but could that reflect 'positively' in the next transfer windows?[/QUOTE]
    Sadly, its Rupp's money being provided for transfers, not Ryans.
     
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  13. bantamdave41

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    Sadly, its Rupp's money being provided for transfers, not Ryans.[/QUOTE]

    You are possibly correct sir.
     
  14. Bantamsteve

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    Maybe I'm being naive but could that reflect 'positively' in the next transfer windows?[/QUOTE]
    Sincerely hope you are right mate
    However our owner may think very differently
     
  15. JonButterfield

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    I thought for a minute you were saying Adams doesn't have a style of play and disagreed, but now I've read your comment properly I totally agree!

    It's pretty embarrassing that we're in League Two without a basic plan or culture in place, hopping from one extreme to the other desperately hoping someone comes along and gets us promoted inside five months with minimum effort on behalf of the club!

    And nope, I'm not expecting any sort of continuity when Adams does leave. No doubt it will be just any relatively successful-but-attainable manager hired with no sense of rhyme or reason beyond short term credentials.
     
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  16. River_City_Bantam

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    The only answer, as far as I can see, is to return to the path we seemed to be heading for, but do it properly. That means that as far as the playing staff are concerned, recruitment and management must be separated, and the whole organisation must be (re)structured accordingly. Owner/board hires CEO/team president, who does the 'big picture' stuff and presides over the heads of the required departments: personnel, commercial activities, stadium operations, and so on. The personnel person, let's call him the DOF, or General Manager, hires the coach/manager for the team, develops the scouting network, negotiates with the players, and so on.

    This way there will be continuity -- sure each of coach/manager, DOF/GM, and CEO can be replaced, but the latter two positions are far more permanent; much more and more prolonged failure is needed before they get canned. Their staffs will be club employees, and thus permanent.

    I'd add that there should also be a proper reserve team, playing in a proper reserve league, with a coach/manager who is looked on as a potential first team coach/manager. The playing styles should correspond; indeed they should do so down all the age groups below the reserve team.

    This will take money to set up and run, but the owner has to see it as a cost of doing business. It is the minimum needed to drag the club into the 20th century. (We can worry about the 21st later...)

    RCB
     
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  17. Bantamsteve

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    Absolutely we are a club without identity, without structure, completely devoid of any sort of plan going forward even a micro business has that,totally in my opinion due to the fact we don't have footballing men at senior level
    A knowledgeable DOF is what is needed Mr Adams needs a boss who knows how to run a club and do what he is supposed to be good at !!!! maybe then the all important progress on the pitch will follow
     
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    What worries me, is that he must have been sold the club during his interview. I think that if he’s not supported in January, then he’ll walk. Strikes me as a rather bullish man, and rather than get stick for the results (which in his mind are nothing to do with his failings) he’ll leave the job and let Sparks and co deal with the outcome.
     
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  19. Bantamsteve

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    Exactly
    He would have bought the same dream as we did with an increase ( no bad thing) in season ticket prices
    We will continue to flip from manager to manager (occasionally getting the right man)
    Until the club have an identity a structure for him to follow
    At the moment the tail is wagging the dog not very successfully
     
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  20. Bigrod

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    l can see the attraction of such a set up. However you need to look at the potential problems of such a system.
    How much input does the Coach have on the recruitment. Could they veto a proposed player?
    Coach ‘A’ has a particular style of play and needs footballers with certain personal style/skills/attributes.
    Who decides on the list. Does the DOF provide a full range of targets, or just their preferred candidate.
    Is this system adding in a further element, which adds time in decision making and as such target players move to other clubs?
    Say there is a failure to progress. So Coach ‘A’ is let go. Do you then restrict applications, to Coach’s who have a similar style of play.
    If again there is a failure to progress, does the DOF go, or is it the ‘Coach’?
    Given the Director of Football own background, are they likely to recruit from a small group of players? So really no different from a Manager who brings in past players.
    You still have the bulk of the squad that failed.
    It always seems ironic to me that Managers are sacked for failure, yet players who are the ones on the pitch, seem totally immune. So you are stuck with footballers, who for whatever reason have not performed at a level which the club expected, or on arrival do not have the skill sets to compliment the other players.
    I am not saying the system which you have suggested is wrong, but rather there is no panacea.
     

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