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Probably best to check that they have done something first

 

I don't have any issue with that. I've been subjected to racism on numerous occasions from black and Asian people, on more than one occasion with violence, broken ribs etc. Unfortunately the term racism these days is a one way street and I can't stand the current narrative that it only works in one direction. Multiculturalism has dug us a deep hole that it's going to be very hard to get out out of. It's kicked equality out of the equation, which is what we should be aiming for. The current narrative just breeds entitlement which can't be questioned on one side and resentment on the other which can't be expressed, so please don't put me in a category that I don't belong in. I made the point because feelings are building all around us and at some point this issue has to be addressed as a whole and not as a unidirectional problem

 

Tends to happen when society in general is shite. This government in charge has ruined this country.

 

A couple of individuals fuelled with drink who already no doubt have a cave man mentality however disgusting and out of order this is hardly screams of our club having a problem. If a num skull suddenly decides to shout racist language out of nowhere then in all honesty apart from making an example of said individual if they are caught there is not much else the club can do. With regards racism and our club I'd go as far as say we as a whole are light years ahead of other clubs I've attended. It wasn't too long I've witnessed away fans attempting to make a cheap jibe at our long standing Asian community, and I've lived in Lancashire the majority of my life and attended many many Blackburn and Burnley games and it's safe to say with regards racism these 2 are literally miles and miles behind us.

 

Now this is wrong. Bradford City as a club should not be at fault for the actions of an individual when there are signs around the stadium, shown on the big screen and voiced over the tannoy telling of its unacceptability. I will make this clear again, City are not to blame for societies ills.

 

If he thinks it's happened then it's good he reported it.

If it did happen and anyone heard it then they should report it to.

It's not acceptable.

 

How can you dispel something if you haven't heard anything and have no idea what it is you're supposed to have heard or even where you're supposed to have heard it?

 

Who needs to be told these days about language like this? Why is it the clubs fault this is still happening? Why are you holding the club responsible for this today? How would the club stop YOU from speaking at a home game? They can't. So stop being silly and asking the club to do something about it FFS. Unless you have a solution they can utilise?

 

So people won't hurl racist abuse at a football match under Labour Government then?

 

Yes, this Govt is a bunch of feckle shite, I won't be backing them. My view is Thatcherism tore the moral fibre out of the country and we are now paying the price with homelessness that can be partly attributed to right to buy, greed caused by the 80's boom and the dot.com boom and lunatics wandering our streets caused by care in the community. All directly linked to that mad cow and made worse by a softening of views that have lead to rampant wokeism.

Rant over. Sparks OUT.

 

City won’t get a points deduction for this but they need to identify the culprit and ban him or her for life.

 

What more can the club do regarding 'smoke canisters'? It's like the racism stuff, they put out notice after notice to fans warning them of the implications of bringing them into stadiums, even mentioning our history and the upset it can bring to people affected. I think we have to accept that we have folk in society who are beyond help and education, thick as mince sums them up to a tee. No amount of club intervention will change the mindset of these feckwits, it's a society problem where folk think they can do what they like without a thought for others.

 

Communicate what ????? How not be a racist ?????
I am sure that the club do more than enough to try and stop this shit going on

 

It’s not hard either.
Just anonymously text the seat location to the number that’s constantly put up on the big screen.
Don’t have to physically put yourself in any danger at all.

 

Yes, my opinion. Based on 25 years of working in the mental health system, until a few years ago, for most of which I was an Approved Social Worker/Approved Mental Health Professional (AMHP) doing regular Mental Health Act Assessments, making the decisions on whether to ‘section’ hundreds of people, attending scores of Mental Health Review Tribunals (where contested release decisions are made) including several at Rampton High Security Mental Hospital. I’ve tutored scores of professionals to gain their AMHP qualifications and I also acted as a Best Interests Assessor under the Mental Capacity Act.

Your perception that the system is too lax, releasing too many dangerous people into the community, couldn’t be further from the truth. The exact opposite is the case. Thousands of people are routinely incarcerated on the vague notion that they might possibly cause harm (which most never do) and forced to take incredibly toxic major tranquilliser drugs that dope them to the eyeballs, blow them up like balloons, change their personalities and destroy grey brain cell matter. These drugs don’t actually treat any of their mental health problems, they just suppress them. It’s effectively keeping people permanently intoxicated.

Of course there are occasional mistakes, when people are released and cause harm. But these are minuscule compared to the numbers kept locked up for years without ever having committed crimes. Show me any system in life where no mistakes are ever made. There isn’t one. But, unlike the routine violence in society, which goes on daily with little comment, every occasional time there is an attack by a person released from the mental health system, it gets plastered all over national news with the cries of ‘how could this be allowed to happen?’, who screwed up? and ‘something must be done’.

If someone gets pissed and attacks someone outside a pub they’ll probably get a few months in prison. They’ll then be released. If they do it again they’ll get a slightly longer sentence etc etc. Some regularly violent people go in and out of prison routinely but still keep offending. They ‘do their time’ and are released. No one suggests locking them up for life (unless they commit murder). Yet, if a person with a mental health diagnosis commits a violent crime, or even just threatens to, society expects them to be locked up indefinitely until they can be proved to no longer be dangerous, which is actually impossible. It’s a total double standard. The facts show that most people with mental health issues are far more at risk from the public than the other way round. How many innocent mentally distressed people do you want us to lock up in order to prevent the occasional violent crime?

The medical model of mental health is broken. Psychiatry is no better at treating mental distress and has no more idea of the causes than it did 100 or more years ago. Any other branch of medicine would have been laughed out of medical college decades ago if its results were as bad as psychiatry. All they do is give people spurious, unscientific diagnoses and pump people full of drugs, many of which actually prolong the longevity of their distress and keep them permanently disabled on benefits, unable to work. Everywhere on the planet that western psychiatry extends its influence sees rapidly worsening recovery rates and far more people left permanently unable to work through drug induced disability.

We need a completely different system based on an acceptance of mental distress as a response to trauma rather than ‘illness’ and a massive switch towards various forms of therapy that have been proven to be more effective than drugs at easing mental distress. But the system is totally dominated by medical model psychiatrists and the multinational drug companies. Meanwhile, we lock up more and more people each year and keep millions doped up in the community.

Sorry for the long rant but you really pushed my buttons. The notion that Care in the Community has resulted in more people being harmed than in the old days of long stay ‘bins’ like High Royds and Scalebor Park is simply not supported by the facts. It’s a myth.

 

Yep, that’s what I’m thinking. The guy has called out racism before in the past too. Maybe it is genuine. If it is, I hope the culprit is identified and banned, and we issue an apology to the player and Wimbledon.

……but I just find it hard not one fan has come forward to confirm what was has supposedly been said. The Midland Stand folk are generally a head screwed on bunch. Don’t think genuine racism would be swept under the carpet.

 

Prejudices are an inherent part of the make up of every animal on the planet. It comes with the territory in terms of survival instinct - discerning threats and opportunities. How we frame those prejudices are more of a social and cultural construct though. Its a very, very complex subject.

 

Actually Bugiel was born in Germany. His mother is Polish and his father Lebanese. So as well as being totally out of order the insult was shall we say completely inaccurate.

 

I agree. The only way any blame can be apportioned to the club is if the individual or individuals are identified and the club do not issue life time ban/s.