Next Prime Minister (with October 2022 poll)

Putting your own country first, does not put your country's interests first. Your country needs to take part in the international stage, not stand apart.

 

Its perfectly possible to be female, black and a bigoted, divisive extremist. They've already got one of those, in Priti Patel. But she'll be out on her ear in the next Tory cabinet, as a Johnson loyalist, so I guess they need to replace her.

 

This is true but it's difficult for the party to be characterised as misogynistic and racist - as it often wrongly is - if they vote a black woman as a leader.

 

awful choices for people here, badenoch is just a right wing corbyn as a standout for worst choice. the scale of tax cuts being offered by almost every candidate is deranged economic illiteracy and complete fantasy. there is no evidence whatsoever that tax cuts after a certain point stimulate any economic growth and in fact jjust end up coting money. people deluding themselves into thinking you can have ultra low taxes and well run public services is why this country is in such a mess in the first place.

 

You can have well run services, you just can't have wide ranging services, which I think is what Badenoch is explaining pretty well.

Over the years the government have become the root solution to every issue in the country whereas quite often they are one of the least efficient bodies to do things. Focusing on what the government need to do rather than appeasing every single group who have a complaint is the right thing to do long term but nobody is actually brave enough to say "no" when the media tries to make them look bad or can explain the position well.

If you wanted a government to tax and spend to the hilt you probably should have been more supportive of Johnson!

 

I emphatically disagree and point to every privatised public service in this country as evidence of what you are saying being incorrect. we frequently have some of the least efficient and most ineffectual public services (transport being a glaring example, probation services also come to mind) when compared to other countries, so I can't understand where this myth that the private sector automatically does things better comes from. Involving the private sector in the NHS with PFI for example led to a tens of billions of pounds millstone around the services neck for years.

 

Like this from Rod Liddle:
Badenoch is a living refutation of the modern, knee-bending, identitarian Labour Party. Sir Keir’s party patronises black people, just as it patronises women. It pats them on the head and tells them,But it won’t ever let a woman or someone who is black or brown actually lead the party. No siree. It treats black people and women as needy children. It is, in its essence, racist.hey won’t get anywhere without Labour.

 

I don't think rod liddle can lecture anyone about racial equality

 

Whether they do things better is debatable - we can probably both name a hundred things that the private sector don't do perfectly as well.

However you've just acknowledged the absolutely key point right there. We have the highest tax burden in two generations, the highest government spending probably ever, and every public sector service that we have is rated as inefficient and ineffectual even by their greatest supporters.

At some point actually trying to make them efficient and effective would be a bonus and it's clearly not just enough to simply tax and spend more so a proper review of all the areas the government actually gets involved in and a reprioritisation of these things might not actually be a bad thing - we have to do something different or it'll be same old same old. As I say though people aren't ready or used to being told "no" by the government so this is where we end up.

 

In other words we have just endured the strongest dose of socialism and yet still they complain....

 

Well my prediction for ballot 1 saw me pick the bottom 3, however 1 did just get over 30 so is till in it. Kemi was the surprise. Braverman is going out as it stands so it would make sense for her to speak with Kemi and do some sort of deal to pull out and see her backers go for Kemi.

Team Truss which appears to be Team Johnson Mk2 is now worried about Penny, as she is the major threat to them making the final two. Penny seems to have the backing of the Tory members too.

From my viewpoint, if the Tories put Truss or Sunak into No10 then will lose the next election. These two have held major offices of government during this shitshow. It needs a clean break from anyone who has served in the last cabinet otherwise in the elections it's easy to link them to the Johnson disaster and that will play with the voters.

 

for the past 12 years we have been relentlessly privatising public services so i would agree that things need to be done differently. a huge amount of money is given to outsourcing contractors such as serco and capita and I would wager this is where a hell of a lot of our tax money is being frittered away. not everything is a business, some things are a service and should be run as such.

 

socialism isn't just hurr durr lets raise taxes. socialist policymaking (furlough scheme) prevented mass redundancies and economic collapse during the pandemic, you're welcome tony.

 

Obviously the pandemic has created massive public spending out of necessity. But for the previous ten years the Tories relentlessly slashed and burned public service spending yet still ended up borrowing more than every Labour government put together.

They've managed to achieve the incredible feat of privatising, devastating or destroying vast swathes of public services without achieving any of the efficiencies they keep claiming will result from their policies, and at the same time have massively increased the national debt. Yet still they claim that it's Labour who can't be trusted with the economy! Just how badly do they have to run things before people begin to realise that the Tories are economically incompetent at anything except lining the pockets of the richest people in society - ie themselves and their friends?

 

Here is Liz Truss getting lost leaving the room after her leadership speech.

All the direction and competence you would want in a leader...

Notice the people at the door on the way out pissing themselves.

 

They have....and the weird thing is that despite the government proving that they are spread too widely and in charge off too much people still look to them when there's a problem.

That right there is an exact argument for making the government responsible for less but judging them on what well they can do when they've got a tighter scope of focus.

 

And part of the reason they need to use upscaling and outsourcing companies like Serco and Capita is because they spread themselves to widely and then don't have the expertise to run things that they are responsible for.

 

This is what people like @Bronco can't understand. Can't get their brain to fully engage. I think it's a I can't be seem to be wrong thing.

The bottom line is Tory governments record on debt was far worse than Labour but I honestly wouldn't mind that if it was down to spending more to improve lives.
How did all the past Tory governments manage to put us in more debt while slashing services +NHS etc. ?
They never look at whether chopping something actually saves the country money. if they did then they might find it's a false economy which will not only cost the country more. it will also bring pain and hardship to the people who relied on those services.
This message should have been hammered years ago. how did they manage to put us in far more debt than Labour ever did while causing so much pain and hardship for Children. sick. poor etc.
We should really give Labour a break and judge them in intent. so they put us in debt every now and then but they at least spent that money improving lives.