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If you're talking about the Parkinson years then you're dead right. If you're talking about the 3 or 4 managers before that then it's probably not quite so straight forward.

On top of the development squad we also had the Montagnee/Willy Topp debacle.

Rahic is making a mess but please do not pretend that previous owners were perfect prior to Parkinson getting them out of the shit. There were plenty of rumours of meddling, involvement in team affairs and abrasive behaviour under Lawn. Pretty much everything Rahic has done was also done under Lawn and Rhodes and a couple more negative things as well. Fortunately for them PP bailed them out at the lowest point, Rahic needs to see sense and be fortunate enough to find that saviour as well. It damn sure isn't going to be Collins.

 

Yes, things weren't always great under the previous owners. City stumbled along without getting anywhere and it was luck rather than strategy that meant Parkinson arrived.

In all that time, the atmosphere surrounding the club wasn't as poisonous or negative as it is now though. They didn't attempt to try and fix what wasn't broken or make bizarre managerial appointments either. Give me Montegnèe and Willy Topp over the numerous substandard Rahic signings, any day of the week.

City were an underachieving lower league team under Lawn & Rhodes, but they weren't a club that had gone from what looked like a brighter future to one that's in permanent crisis in a couple of years. Players and managers have come and gone. Yet still something appears to be askew. The only static presence has been Rahic, which makes it difficult to conclude that it isn't him that's the problem.

I think it's becoming clearer by the day that City will never succeed under Rahic. No manager of any worth will work under the conditions he lays down. Bantams Progressivism can only return when he's no longer associated with the club.

 

The fall from the Prem to the 4th division was primarily Richmond's doing. It was almost exclusively to do with finance, the present situation is something else entirely. I can't even criticise this summer's recruitment. On paper, they should be performing at a far higher standard than they are. You can't have witnessed Saturday's game in particular and not be bemused by what you saw?

At least Jacko had been a football manager before and a successful one at that!

 

I don’t think the reactions are overboard. Everything is going downhill fast. The club is in disarray and this is showing on the field.

The entertainment has been non existent for months. Every decision being taken seems to be worse and worse.

I have had a season ticket for 30 years or so and have never so detached from the club and I’m not the only one.

The sacking of Stuart for me was the beginning of the end. If Mr Bradford City couldn’t get on with the owners who else could?

To rip up everything after two play offs appearances is just madness. I’m sure previous owners have had their moments but have had the sense not to release a dvd showing what prats they were.

32 year old managers, Players signed who clearly were never going to make it in league one, appalling treatment of experienced players and good people. This is a sinking ship.

 

A development in thinking that is very familiar to me, though I fell off the fence somewhat earlier.

I think that the first warning signs appeared in that first January transfer window, when the shipping-out of Parkinson's players began. But the side was doing well, and Wyke certainly helped us, and there was always going to be change in the playing staff even if Parkinson had stayed, and there was hope that the owners would continue as they seemed to be beginning and sign more players with Wyke-type impacts, so one could live with it.

But no, we've gone backwards since then, and a club on the verge of the next division up is indeed in real trouble of returning to the next division down.

I would add a fourth point to your three: it's not just players who have been shipped out, but staff have also been shipped out, or have left of their own accord. More history, continuity, knowledge and appreciation of the club gone.

I would like to see Edin change his approach, and prove that lessons have been learnt. But it seems that that phrase is just about as meaningful as 'I know football.' He seems not to be the type to change. Alas.

RCB

 

That first half was as bad as anything I've ever seen down at City. If we were playing anyone semi decent we'd have been 3 or 4 down. Dunno how you can say it wasn't that bad.

Players hiding from the ball, sending it aimlessly long up towards Doyle. Centre mids nowhere to be seen.

They deserved to be booed off at half time. I usually agree, we shouldn't boo our own players but I work my arse off all week and pay money to come watch some primadonnas strolling about a football pitch. If they don't put in the effort required then I am going to boo them.

Don't mind people having bad games as long as they put in the effort and application. The first half was a disgrace and they deserved to be booed off.

 

Fans pay money and have every right to boo.

Edin is making poor decisions and needs to leave.

Collins is why out of his depth as manager and wasn't even great as a youth manager. He needs to go.

The performance on Saturday needed shooting down. It wasn't good enough.

For you to post utter shi&e like you have done highlights to me that you don't understand the emotion of some of the fans and the upset Edin and Collins mismanagement is creating them.

I can't blame any fan for booing the utter shi&e on Saturday or for giving it out to Edin(fully against racist comments)

Edin go!
Collins go!

 

I'm all for giving it time if :
a) I can see there is a plan
and
b) there are signs said plan is coming together.

At the moment I can't see either of these things so although I'm not quite at the hitting the panic button stage just yet, my finger is hovering ever closer.

 

The real difference though Keefly is that Lawn brought in professionals who had the ability and experience to perform their specialist roles.

Lawn may be many things but he is not a micromanager or stupid enough to think he knows football.

 

Difference being, when Parkinson said we need to drop the idea of a dev squad and invest in the 1st team instead, Lawn listened. When McCall spoke out against Rahic’s vision, he got sacked.

 

Rather ironic isn't it that as you say PP bailed us out, and one of the reasons R&R purchased our club was because of that very sucsess PP had brought to the club during his time at the club, yet they tried to influence PP to allow Edin input into footballing matters, these guys have learnt nothing from day one I'm afraid.

 

Well tell us what gets you worked up then and I’ll tell you how many fecks I give about it.

 

That's ok then......as long as we've been really bad before.

 

Something unusual happened to the phyche of City fans over the last 3-4 years. We came out of a dark dark time into a period of incredible highs, I often found myself asking where it would end (knowing that it inevitably would but almost believing that it might not).

Then came the Paladini episode, which if nothing else made some fans kiddy at the the thought of having an endless pot of money (wonder if he's still looking for the end of that rainbow?)
Takeover-fever spread, you saw it on here, and by the time R&R showed up, many believed (or wanted to believe) that fortunes might just have changed for good.

I think that goes some way to explaining why this new period of doom and gloom is hitting some so hard. I still don't feel as fearful as I did in the early 2000s and don't quite understand why some do, but regardless of all that, the club is being damaged, and I for one hope Edin pulls something out of the bag quick before this gets nasty.

 

The rise of social media and the internet also has a lot to do with it.. It has given everyone a voice, and people feel entitled to voice their opinion (and sometimes bile) without fear of repercussions. If the Richmond saga had happened now trust me the shouting would have been much worse than what we're seeing now.

 

Unfortunately it is this type of reasoned sentiment that will fall on deaf ears soon. The poster you are replying to is a spectre of the future. All complaints will be shelved in the xenophobe pile and the blame will come back on us. What is desperately needed first off is some kind of communication. There is only one question that needs answering as far as I'm concerned: Why did you take it upon yourself to employ a rookie who has absolutely no track record of managing with any degree of succcess to become our manager? Although I wouldn't intend it to be a loaded question there is not a hope in hell that we would get an honest answer. Unfortunately we already know the answer but it would be interesting to see if the owners would be honest about it.

 

Greg it's OK you may still keep your job.

 

Not sure whether I pity, or envy, folk who have so little things of importance in their lives that they can get so worked up about their football team not being very good.

 

Same goes the other way but the fans that say it get branded happy clappers. I left with 10 minutes to go which was the first time in 40 years of supporting city but I won't start sagging off the ones that stayed. The football was dire and Collins is out of his depth and that's my opinion but I won't have a go with someone that has a different opinion to mine.